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It's All About Trust

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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#101 - 2013-01-15 17:37:16 UTC
You may have missed the part about me being webbed and scrammed and about 100km from the docking bay. I had been testing a spider capping fit with my logi pilot.

You should be able to find the answer to your last comment in your paragraph 3.
luZk
Fivrelde Corp
#102 - 2013-01-15 18:02:53 UTC
What you're doing to your corpmates now is actually 100 times worse than what that goon did to you. Ever thought about that?

http://i.imgur.com/1dl4DM6.jpg
Bud Austrene
Secure Haven
#103 - 2013-01-15 19:27:59 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
So the question, kind of, goes back to the original post in this thread. Who can an Eve player trust?

IMHO? No one. Thus my actions.

If I have to defend myself against every other player in the game, where's the trust?


Trust is something that is earned over time.
This is why real trust in EVE generally only exists between those that know each other in real life.
Or have know each other in the game for a long time.

For the most part, those that have evil intent, will not hang around very long if it appears to be taking too long for a ripe opportunity to present itself. They do not have the patience to put in the time it takes to earn trust.

Playing by your self without trusting anyone can be pretty lonely and shut you out of options.
Having a main corporation that requires a certain time be spent in a sub-corporations before being allowed into the main corporation can filter out a lot of undesirables.

Test them with lower hanging fruit before letting them into a position that could be severely damaging.

Being paranoid is good in this game but being overly paranoid is self-defeating.
It is kinda like pissing in your own bed.

Not everyone is mean and evil

Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers

Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2013-01-15 19:33:56 UTC
Quote:
He killed my CNR right outside of my home station


Why didn't you just dock up?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-01-15 19:40:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Not Politically Correct wrote:

It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result?

All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that.

'Nough said.

I'm sorry.

I read that and though,
You're a bigger **** than the guy the thread is about.

You're going to kick everyone from the corp because of one bad seed. One guy pisses you off, and you kick everyone from the corp?

That's ****** up.
Way more than the guy blowing up your ship.

You're a horrible CEO, and have no business running a corp.

PS: I was about to put a couple billion on your corp, but you'll just disband it.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#106 - 2013-01-15 19:50:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Not Politically Correct wrote:
You may have missed the part about me being webbed and scrammed and about 100km from the docking bay. I had been testing a spider capping fit with my logi pilot.

You should be able to find the answer to your last comment in your paragraph 3.

Yes, I did miss that (as I didn't have time to read all of the responses). My apologies on that point.

If you think the answer to my last comment (that kicking your established corp members is foolish) is contained in my statement that the key to EvE is learning who to trust and how far (not as many think simply not trusting anyone) then you didn't understand what I wrote.

Not everyone can do this, and if that's the case for you then your corp members are frankly better off without you. If one successful Awox causes this type of reaction you have no business running a corp that contains others... and frankly are a little too emotionally invested in the game for your own good.

The loss of that ship should be at most a minor annoyance that pales in comparison to the enjoyment you can find playing with a group that you find entertaining.

So either you valued that ship way to much, or your friends/corp mates way too little... or quite possibly both.

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Caterin Stetille
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2013-01-15 20:07:34 UTC
Found this thread today and learned that people use Navy Ravens for missioning, still. Fascinating.

Also, the reaction to being awoxed is hilarious, but I was really more interested in the Navy Raven part of the story.
Needmore Longcat
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#108 - 2013-01-15 20:14:08 UTC
His raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2013-01-15 20:18:40 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Why is anyone concerned with the fit?

Why does anyone want to be near anything that they are trying to kill?

Sorry to bring a ray of RL in here, but I was taught not to take a knife to a fight where the other guy might be able call in an air strike.

Oh. That's right, this isn't RL.


Well to be honest if you're close enough to be using a knife he's not going to be attempting to call in air

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2013-01-15 20:21:54 UTC
Riedle wrote:
Quote:
He killed my CNR right outside of my home station


Why didn't you just dock up?


Because his definition of "right outside" is "100k off the station".

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#111 - 2013-01-15 20:22:44 UTC
this thread is causing me to walk on sunshine

like the song

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Avarice Lorelei
Adversity.
Psychotic Tendencies.
#112 - 2013-01-15 20:23:47 UTC
+5 sec and no bounties automatically makes him seem like a good guy

gg
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#113 - 2013-01-15 20:39:10 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah.

Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good.

Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase.

Do you see where I am going now?

I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes.

It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result?

All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that.

'Nough said.



So you made a dumb mistake, lost a ship from it, and now you're throwing a hissy fit against your own corp members?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#114 - 2013-01-15 20:40:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Whoaaaa LOL. Awoxing happens. Your mental capacity to shrug it off is more important then preventing it in the first place. The ship you are in? If you play Eve instead of grinding it, it will inevitably be destroyed. so it doesn't matter that much. I don't wanna bash the way you play the game, to each their own. Do realize that as a CEO, you have the power to cultivate a certain... how shall I put it... game philosophy. I believe a CEO can cultivate a certain philosophy that will trickle all the way down to the newest members.

You took a risk and it backfired. So? You could have taken that awox as a chance to team up upon a common enemy. Social studies indicate having a common enemy cultivates a sense of solidarity in a group. You could have taken up arms against this dude with the ones you do trust. Every hostility toward your corp is a chance to improve it. I welcome these things, as they weed out the extremely risk averse and build trust and friendships with those that trust you. Hardships create better corps.

It sounds like you made a few errors in judgement (excuse the peer review) but that you'd still prefer to play with other people. Then I say find a corp where you can pull some weight, but leave CEOship to someone more willing to deal with these things. Going solo can have merit, but you can also solo around when belonging to a group. The other way around... not so much. Good luck, hope you bounce back and go give this ex-gewn a proper whoppin'Big smile

Even if you fail, you win, if you learned something and had fun at the same time. You regret the loss of a single ship, while I joyfully get blown up, improving my game along the way. For me Eve is like:

read read read try fail read read read try fail read read read try win, and feel awesome.
Lechert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2013-01-15 20:57:23 UTC
Needmore Longcat wrote:
His raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I


My god. First thing, aside from the paranoia from the OP is that you need to train for T2 modules and learn how to fit a pve raven.

In regards to the trust thing.

Awoxing is here and there is nothing we can do about it. Goons are awoxed themselves as are testies, etc. It's something you can do little to stop and sadly, when it happens, it does feel bad man. But suck it in and move on.

Don't throw away being in a corp because of a goon.

Also, VFK by March.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#116 - 2013-01-15 21:12:26 UTC
Lesson learned: never accept an app from anyone who has had affiliation w/ goonswarm in the past.

Harsh rule, sucks to be them, but they chose to fly w/ goons in the first place and should know what that means when they joined.
Richter Enderas
Kaesong Kosmonauts
#117 - 2013-01-15 21:15:45 UTC
never trust GOON

all GOON do is make money for RMT....

we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner......

THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband???

u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#118 - 2013-01-15 21:16:29 UTC
Richter Enderas wrote:
never trust GOON

all GOON do is make money for RMT....

we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner......

THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband???

u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr
Alua Oresson
League of the Shieldy
SLYCE Pirates
#119 - 2013-01-15 21:21:06 UTC
Richter Enderas wrote:
never trust GOON

all GOON do is make money for RMT....

we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner......

THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband???

u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr


This was just perfect. I quite enjoyed it, would read again.

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#120 - 2013-01-15 21:30:35 UTC
Chandaris wrote:
Lesson learned: never accept an app from anyone who has had affiliation w/ goonswarm in the past.

Harsh rule, sucks to be them, but they chose to fly w/ goons in the first place and should know what that means when they joined.


People use clean neutral alts to do these things, too. Can't catch everyone.