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New [scratch] Tiericide the T1 Battlecruisers.

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Gempei
Marvinovi pratele
#61 - 2011-10-10 21:15:17 UTC
Quark Valhala wrote:
In a Drake load kinetick missels and win.

load kinetic resist and you win Cool
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#62 - 2011-10-10 21:47:34 UTC
Quote:
I think Drakes are possibly the most well balanced ship in the game


lol


*fits 85k ehp passive tank*
*does 550 dps to 75km*
*slowboats back to gates every time it encounters a gang of less than 10 people*
*is a drake*
Gempei
Marvinovi pratele
#63 - 2011-10-10 22:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Gempei
Ganthrithor wrote:
*fits 85k ehp passive tank*
*does 550 dps to 75km*

with signature radius 500m Ugh
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2011-10-11 02:13:32 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
No, that's a worse idea. Tier 2 BCs already obsolete the Deimos, Sacrilege and all cruisers that aren't the Blackbird, and you want to make this situation worse? All that does is remove the "tier 2" from "tier 2 battlecruisers Online". Tier 2 battlecruisers are the problem, not the solution.


There is always going to be a sharp divide between people who want to PvP on the cheap but still an effective ship (mostly casuals) and those who want isk/SP to have a greater effect on performance.

Quote:
*fits 85k ehp passive tank*
*does 550 dps to 75km*
*slowboats back to gates every time it encounters a gang of less than 10 people*
*is a drake*


If a slowboating Drake makes it back to gate, so would a Hurricane with 5x the speed. IOW, you and your gang are terrible.
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#65 - 2011-10-11 04:39:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Ganthrithor
The point is that Drakes are clearly the most imbalanced BC in the game. In every other instance you're forced to choose between range, dps, and tank (pick any two) when you go to fit your BC. The Drake gets them all-- the range of a LR glass-cannon turret BC, the DPS of a closerange turret BC, and the tank of a battleship. Its a completely ridiculous ship, and anyone who argues otherwise is an illogical ******. Death2drakes.
Quark Valhala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2011-10-11 05:16:15 UTC
I would like to here a dev explain about the ship (drake), and if they thinks its stats Are fair compared to the other races?
( thou the forum gods rarely answer thier minions Blink )
Beckett Firesnake
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2011-10-11 05:39:36 UTC
I made a lot of C3 sleepers with two Drakes.
I made much ISK.
I do not know if another T1 BC can make lvl4 mission as easily than a drake.

Because I did not understand the Resistance system, I did not see how a BattleShip could be better than a Drake for a while.

I think all races should have a Drake like ship.

Not enough firepower to overcome a BS but strong enough to tank a lvl4 mission.

So you could begin lvl4 missions while you up your BS skills .
Elrianmk2
#68 - 2011-10-11 15:29:52 UTC
Funny i found that the Drake outperformed my Mega, then i remembered, Devs don't love Gallente. On topic though, Drakes are somewhat overpowered, i tend to run anoms in 0.0 in a pvp fit Drake, knowing if someone comes into system i can head over assist with tackle and take down without having to worry about switching out modules or ships, any other race, nah its not going happen unless you want the one way pod express.

Sometimes "Meh" is an acceptable response.
Shin Dari
Covert Brigade
#69 - 2011-10-11 19:30:36 UTC
Ganthrithor wrote:
The point is that Drakes are clearly the most imbalanced BC in the game. In every other instance you're forced to choose between range, dps, and tank (pick any two) when you go to fit your BC. The Drake gets them all-- the range of a LR glass-cannon turret BC, the DPS of a closerange turret BC, and the tank of a battleship. Its a completely ridiculous ship, and anyone who argues otherwise is an illogical ******. Death2drakes.

With the Drake is Tank or DPS and most people just fit it with tank.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#70 - 2011-10-11 20:16:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Shin Dari wrote:
Ganthrithor wrote:
The point is that Drakes are clearly the most imbalanced BC in the game. In every other instance you're forced to choose between range, dps, and tank (pick any two) when you go to fit your BC. The Drake gets them all-- the range of a LR glass-cannon turret BC, the DPS of a closerange turret BC, and the tank of a battleship. Its a completely ridiculous ship, and anyone who argues otherwise is an illogical ******. Death2drakes.

With the Drake is Tank or DPS and most people just fit it with tank.


I don't fly a Drake myself but with an all T2 set up and some cheap implants - resistance tanking, I make a fit with two Ballistic Controls T2, 7x Heavy Launchers T2
64 541 eHP
225 sustained, 522 re-enforced defences per second
548 DPS (not over heated) 2845 per volley

Having no faction mods and being a T1 ship for that little ISK - is there any ship with that much tank and DPS?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Quark Valhala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2011-10-11 20:40:29 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Shin Dari wrote:
Ganthrithor wrote:
The point is that Drakes are clearly the most imbalanced BC in the game. In every other instance you're forced to choose between range, dps, and tank (pick any two) when you go to fit your BC. The Drake gets them all-- the range of a LR glass-cannon turret BC, the DPS of a closerange turret BC, and the tank of a battleship. Its a completely ridiculous ship, and anyone who argues otherwise is an illogical ******. Death2drakes.

With the Drake is Tank or DPS and most people just fit it with tank.


I don't fly a Drake myself but with an all T2 set up and some cheap implants - resistance tanking, I make a fit with two Ballistic Controls T2, 7x Heavy Launchers T2
64 541 eHP
225 sustained, 522 re-enforced defences per second
548 DPS (not over heated) 2845 per volley

Having no faction mods and being a T1 ship for that little ISK - is there any ship with that much tank and DPS?


And range.
Well tbh take a launcher slot off put in 2 turret hard points.
Maybe remove a med or low slot.

Drake fixed . (i Think)
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2011-10-12 03:51:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
Ganthrithor wrote:
The Drake gets them all-- the range of a LR glass-cannon turret BC, the DPS of a closerange turret BC, and the tank of a battleship. Its a completely ridiculous ship, and anyone who argues otherwise is an illogical ******.


You're kidding, right?

To expand: HMLs have mediocre DPS, the only time it looks good is compared to long-range turrets. And HAMs have laughable range and applied DPS against anything that isn't webbed. Oh and giving up two mids for point/web, you're down to armor BC levels of tank.
Dray
C.O.D.E
#73 - 2011-10-12 10:34:30 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
cornholio508 wrote:
A drake can do just as much dps as other races battleships and can also if fitted properly have way more ehp than them as well .


Uh, no.

Quote:
A friend in my alliance has a drake that does 1000dps per volley and a passive tank that gives him 113,000 ehp . My faction fitted navy apoc with a omni tank of 85% resists and 1000 dps per volley and a 90,000 ehp on the other hand still doesnt come close to the drake.


Because we know your Apoc doesn't shoot faster than a Drake, right?

tl;dr you are bad at this. Stop.


Nah let him post, I'm enjoying them, admittedly for all the wrong reasons, but hey comedy comes in many forms.....
Dray
C.O.D.E
#74 - 2011-10-12 10:40:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Dray
Ganthrithor wrote:
Quote:
I think Drakes are possibly the most well balanced ship in the game


lol


*fits 85k ehp passive tank*
*does 550 dps to 75km* (missile dps and less if it's not scourge)
*slowboats back to gates every time it encounters a gang of less than 10 people* (who can't web or bump)
*is a drake* (laughing at the incompetent gang)


Fixed.
Akara Ito
Phalanx Solutions
#75 - 2011-10-12 15:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Akara Ito
How about just taking that kinetic bonus and replacing it with range ?
Tank plus range would be a classic caldari setup and with reduced damage the über ehp arent that much of a problem anymore.

Zagdul wrote:

[...]and the Harbi could use a larger CPU grid.


YES!
30 CPU more would be great and bring it more in line with the Hurricane.
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#76 - 2011-10-12 16:11:57 UTC
Akara Ito wrote:
How about just taking that kinetic bonus and replacing it with range ?


That makes it even more like a big Caracal. The game already has a fundamental problem with tier 2 battlecruisers obsoleting all T1 cruisers that aren't the Blackbird. Giving the Drake a missile velocity bonus puts it solidly into the Caracal's tiny remaining niche.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#77 - 2011-10-12 18:50:11 UTC
I am more in the camp of boosting the other BCs than ever.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Heribeck Weathers
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2011-10-12 20:01:39 UTC
make the raven worth taking into pvp and we can talk about nerfing the drake.

oh and give the ferox a diferant skill other than shield resists so its not so much of the drakes little brother
Jenshae Chiroptera
#79 - 2011-10-13 10:26:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Sure! Coming right up! P

P.S. I have found that they ship "bonus" of shield resistance or armour tends to only bring it up to average once it is fully trained.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
bongpacks
Rules of Acquisition
#80 - 2011-10-14 04:31:55 UTC  |  Edited by: bongpacks
So this guy posts a fail fit cyclone for running C2 anomalies on battleclinic and i get quoted on eve-o as saying a drake can do it better, because most anything is better than this monstrosity: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/56446-Cyclone-C1-C2-WH.html

Gunboats suck for w-space PVE and really the reason boils down to the fact they have to pull optimal range on every target they engage. That's a lot of time consuming flying around while a drake can just sit still and blow stuff up. Not to mention they struggle with frigate sized rats without using drones, and we all know what sleepers do to drones. There's simply no reason to use anything other than a drake for w-space PVE in the lower level holes when the ship you're using does drake-ish DPS and on top of it has to fly around needlessly just to apply that low DPS.

Is the drake overpowered, heck no I wish it was. To get that fabled uber tank you guys keep talking about you'd have the DPS of a fail fit assault frigate. If you wanted to get 700+ DPS from a drake you'd have to gimp the tank with missile rigs so bad a fail fit assault frigate could kill it. OK yes of course the drake is superior for PVE compared to any of it's counterparts, but that can be said of most missile boats because of the minimum of skill required to simply press a button and watch stuff blow up instead of actually having to fly your ship to maintain optimal range ect. Should there be F.O.F type ammo for all types of weapon systems? I think so but really how often do you see anyone use F.O.F missiles? The drake as far as PVP is concerned is slow as hell, has crap capacitor and lackluster DPS not to mention the HUGE AS HELL sig radius it has without even cycling the MWD. I think it's pretty well balanced for the amount of tank vs. gank it has compared to it's counterparts. Maybe try using EM damage against the next drake you PVP against and you might not think the tank is so god-like.
So to conclude this already long post, the drake is only superior at PVE, at everything else it's just mediocre. Roll