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If null sec is so bad Why the heck do you live there?????

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-12-19 07:22:15 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:

I guess it's partly that there are people who like to build things, create something and others who only want to ruin what others make..the "famous" tear harvesters. It's those people that I feel null sec, and especially low sec are full of. I too thought how grand it would be to be in a large fleet fighting for riches in the vastness of space. Instead I read about giant lag fests, lag as a weapon, spanning convo's as a weapon, bots galore. Certainly not what is advertised.


I actually do some industry in nullsec. The market is limited, but there are some very profitable niches that aren't super caps.

In order to prosper as one who creates, you have to have those who destroy. Otherwise you saturate the market, and then no one needs your service as a creator.

People blowing stuff up puts money in my pocket, and puts money in the pockets of highsec industrialists too. If you know what needs to be replaced often and are clever enough to acquire the materials in nullsec, you put yourself on easy street. The guy who provides spaceships in a spaceship game can always find friends.


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Oh and the seeing two people who are in big null sec alliances having a measureing contest in this thread tells me alot too.A couple of folks actually had their own good reasons for living in null, most of the rest are just trolls. If the percentage of trolls, KB hoes is that high in null sec, well...no wonder it sucks.


If you mean me and Marlona Sky, don't read too much into that. Also, these forums should in no way be used to judge the general character of nullsec dwellers. First off, this forum is a self selecting group of loud mouths. Secondly, most nullsec groups have out of game comms, and they talk about their Eve experiences there and never bother with this forum.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#42 - 2012-12-19 07:40:22 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:

You made your bed (creating the largest blue coalition in mmo history), time to sleep in it.


You were perfectly fine with being in the largest blue coalition in history to take down the NC

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-12-19 07:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Il Feytid
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Doesn't matter what blue list you tear up so long as the dynamics of nullsec remain unchanged. There will be ratters and people shooting ratters and structures and people shooting structures. the only nullsec industries that can be disrupted are moon mining and supercap production, which is _again_ a structure shoot and not something that can be done with a small gang, unless you are in a small gang of dreadnaughts. And the ideas in your sig do nothing but make those 2 rather played out activities a bit easier.

So what is it that you want? You guys create a super coalition of thousands upon thousands and ultra blob the sun out of anyone who refuses to be part of it. Fine, sandbox, we all get it. What I don't understand is now here you are on the forums in a huff demanding CCP create content for you and demanding null be boosted in reward when you have created an environment of little to no risk. You chastise anyone in low, high and even wormhole space for not setting up shop within a couple jumps of your main ship spinning systems, proclaiming them to be 'risk adverse' and other memes you toss around. Yet the very moment anyone puts up so much as a tent, you do coalition wide CTA's and bring in thousands to deal with the so called 'noobs' and remind them that being anywhere withing 15 minutes of you guys (hint: pretty much most of null) was a bad idea. And then complain about how bored you are.

Your coalition is sitting on by far the best ISK printing press in the history of this game and proclaim that people in high sec are making as much and maybe more than you guys do. Sure I know you will give some example of some crappy null space and shove it everyone and pout, "Look how terrible this system is, garbage! It can't support the vast amount of friends I have!" Yeah well guess what. Maybe, just maybe you should go take some space that can. Maybe, just maybe you might have to reset some of those thousand upon thousands of blues and TAKE THE SPACE THEY LIVE IN! I know, crazy talk right? The thought of engaging in combat and dare I say, without the aid of thousands upon thousands of guys taking on that five man battle cruiser gang.

I am also well aware of my alliances history from up north. I know what events took place, but more importantly I know that unlike most alliances, we did fight you. We made you bleed. Yes in the end it was a matter of attrition and some silly drama that ended it. I am proud we lasted as long as we did considering the number of us fighting a super coalition rotating thousands and us fighting another front to the east. So please enough of the lies and spinning you are doing of the events.

So instead of demanding CCP make your space as good as the guy sitting on the top of the hill, how about you grow a set and take it, unless of course you are banking on CCP giving you a hand out (a.ka. making all space equal again). Then again, perhaps you are already sitting on the best space and are afraid your thousands upon thousands of friends will start to look at each other with hungry wild eyes and in fact turn on each other to take the better space. Something tells me that is the very thing you are scared of. Having to rely on yourself for a change.

Oh well, maybe CCP will answer your prayers and feed them all before they turn on you. God forbid you have to fight for what you have without a batphone.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-12-19 07:46:43 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:

You made your bed (creating the largest blue coalition in mmo history), time to sleep in it.


You were perfectly fine with being in the largest blue coalition in history to take down the NC

(citation needed)

And lets not forget that as many ex-NC members proclaim with honor; NC killed itself, no one else killed them. Unless they were killed off by me and the coalition I was in?

PICK ONE AND STICK TO IT FOR A CHANGE. P
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-12-19 07:50:39 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Your coalition is sitting on by far the best ISK printing press in the history of this game

lol
stopped reading right there

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-12-19 07:53:52 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Your coalition is sitting on by far the best ISK printing press in the history of this game

lol
stopped reading right there

It is the truth. You just want more.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-12-19 07:55:32 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Your coalition is sitting on by far the best ISK printing press in the history of this game

lol
stopped reading right there

It is the truth. You just want more.

It would be a lot easier to explain your total lack of understanding of things if you weren't in NCdot.
But since you are, well, it's awfully hard to explain.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#48 - 2012-12-19 07:59:36 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:

You made your bed (creating the largest blue coalition in mmo history), time to sleep in it.


You were perfectly fine with being in the largest blue coalition in history to take down the NC

(citation needed)

And lets not forget that as many ex-NC members proclaim with honor; NC killed itself, no one else killed them. Unless they were killed off by me and the coalition I was in?

PICK ONE AND STICK TO IT FOR A CHANGE. P


Um, I wasn't in the NC, why do I have to "pick one"? NCdot cheerfully allied with a dozen russian alliances plus Raiden, PL & others to fight the NC. You were apparently just fine with that when your coaltion was the one that was winning. Now that NCdot have been booted out of their space, you know, the space that you tried to claim that is intrinsically risk free, suddenly you're against coalitions.

PICK ONE AND STICK TO IT FOR A CHANGE.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-12-19 08:04:28 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Your coalition is sitting on by far the best ISK printing press in the history of this game

lol
stopped reading right there

It is the truth. You just want more.

It would be a lot easier to explain your total lack of understanding of things if you weren't in NCdot.
But since you are, well, it's awfully hard to explain.

Do you feel the space Razor occupies accommodate their needs? Yes or no.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-12-19 08:08:58 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:

You made your bed (creating the largest blue coalition in mmo history), time to sleep in it.


You were perfectly fine with being in the largest blue coalition in history to take down the NC

(citation needed)

And lets not forget that as many ex-NC members proclaim with honor; NC killed itself, no one else killed them. Unless they were killed off by me and the coalition I was in?

PICK ONE AND STICK TO IT FOR A CHANGE. P


Um, I wasn't in the NC, why do I have to "pick one"? NCdot cheerfully allied with a dozen russian alliances plus Raiden, PL & others to fight the NC. You were apparently just fine with that when your coaltion was the one that was winning. Now that NCdot have been booted out of their space, you know, the space that you tried to claim that is intrinsically risk free, suddenly you're against coalitions.

PICK ONE AND STICK TO IT FOR A CHANGE.

I never said you were in the NC and null space is pretty risk free for those paying attention to local and intel channels. I am of course talking about pilots and not structures, which dictates who has the sov. But keep twisting my words to suit your angle.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2012-12-19 08:22:03 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Your coalition is sitting on by far the best ISK printing press in the history of this game

lol
stopped reading right there

It is the truth. You just want more.

It would be a lot easier to explain your total lack of understanding of things if you weren't in NCdot.
But since you are, well, it's awfully hard to explain.

Do you feel the space Razor occupies accommodate their needs? Yes or no.

All of them? No.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-12-19 08:31:54 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Do you feel the space Razor occupies accommodate their needs? Yes or no.

All of them? No.

What is lacking. Be specific and list them please.
Mr Pragmatic
#53 - 2012-12-19 08:32:44 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
boy ima bounty you n pop you upside the head for being that dumb.

pay more attention in class when school resumes.



Please come after me scum.

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-12-19 08:35:19 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Do you feel the space Razor occupies accommodate their needs? Yes or no.

All of them? No.

What is lacking. Be specific and list them please.

The ability to do any decent scale industry instead of having to import almost all of our ships and modules from highsec, and a mechanic for our alliance to make income through its members instead of through moons (which I'm sure you'll agree with).

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-12-19 08:43:08 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
quite alot of the players in Eve DO NOT FREAKIN ENJOY LOOKING OVER THEIR SHOULDER ALL THE TIME!


Then don't undock.

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-12-19 08:47:59 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Do you feel the space Razor occupies accommodate their needs? Yes or no.

All of them? No.

What is lacking. Be specific and list them please.

The ability to do any decent scale industry instead of having to import almost all of our ships and modules from highsec, and a mechanic for our alliance to make income through its members instead of through moons (which I'm sure you'll agree with).

I agree that a major part of the potential ISK should be bottom up, with some 'x,y,z' that is in that alliances best interest to take/defend to be the rest of the potential ISK. As far as the industry part; popping the rancid Jita tit of of nulls mouth would be nice.

So lets say they flip the income around, bottom up and they enable industry to do its thing on par, if not better hopefully than in high sec. Then what?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-12-19 08:50:47 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Do you feel the space Razor occupies accommodate their needs? Yes or no.

All of them? No.

What is lacking. Be specific and list them please.

The ability to do any decent scale industry instead of having to import almost all of our ships and modules from highsec, and a mechanic for our alliance to make income through its members instead of through moons (which I'm sure you'll agree with).

I agree that a major part of the potential ISK should be bottom up, with some 'x,y,z' that is in that alliances best interest to take/defend to be the rest of the potential ISK. As far as the industry part; popping the rancid Jita tit of of nulls mouth would be nice.

So lets say they flip the income around, bottom up and they enable industry to do its thing on par, if not better hopefully than in high sec. Then what?


Then I can start that nullsec industry empire that I always wanted.

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G01kur Kisel
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-12-19 08:55:31 UTC  |  Edited by: G01kur Kisel
Ive been nullsec for long periods of times.

For me there is no problem ISK wise. I could easily make 1-3 billion per day depending on how lucky I was.
to counter that i could just as easily lose my ship to roamers or gankers and gate campers.

If you want to have a secure place to do industry work - move to highsec

Never been in a nullsec corp or alliance so cant tell you anything there but I would assume that is what is broken. The nullsec mechanics of it when I read about it that is. A corp joins an alliance and their station now belongs to the alliance. Alliance kicks the corp out from the alliance and the corp loses its station? Dont know if I understood that right but Im sure there something to it and other things that are weird in the no mans land.

Only reason I went to nullsec was for the 6/10 - 10/10 plexes. And some gate camp scouting. Im sure we all have our own reasons for being there. But you dont see me complaining about it. i just move to somewhere else. If all places fail me / the game fails me. I quit and move on with my life. And life goes on and and forward. Ever changing.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-12-19 08:58:18 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
I never said you were in the NC and null space is pretty risk free for those paying attention to local and intel channels. I am of course talking about pilots and not structures, which dictates who has the sov. But keep twisting my words to suit your angle.


Can you explain how local and intel channels will prevent my baby titan from being destroyed in a CSAA?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-12-19 09:01:11 UTC
Andski wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
I never said you were in the NC and null space is pretty risk free for those paying attention to local and intel channels. I am of course talking about pilots and not structures, which dictates who has the sov. But keep twisting my words to suit your angle.


Can you explain how local and intel channels will prevent my baby titan from being destroyed in a CSAA?

Sure. Structure mails and a stront alt.