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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#1821 - 2013-01-09 01:08:43 UTC
I agree but as previously mentioned that cruise liner chime when the training queue is complete has to be the most sucky sound of all. Aura's voice is more than enough without the holiday camp bong for the day's activities by the pool.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
VonKolroth
Anarchist's Anonymous
#1822 - 2013-01-09 03:03:21 UTC
Chuckeysbride wrote:
VonKolroth wrote:
Chuckeysbride wrote:
CCP I don't know what the hell you're thinking but this new bounty system sucks ass. Specifically the ability to place a bounty on a character, corporation or alliance for no reason at all. You said this system would be abuse proof, yet, that's the first thing that has happened. You need to add stipulations, such as only being able to put a bounty on someone if they commit a criminal act against you or security status below -1 as before, denoting someone who is committing crimes. I can tell you now from my gang to others I've been talking to you're about to lose a **** ton of subs if this is not fixed and soon. Myself, I have 5 days left on my sub and around 6 to 8 on my other three and have no intentions of renewing until this is fixed. If it's not then I am prepared to walk away because as far as I'm concerned, you just ruined this game.


Adding 50m to Aerospace Innovations for badlord spergposting.



congrats. I just added 150M to you and 150M to your corp for being a douche. Have a nice day and enjoy!


I greatly appreciate the added incentive for others to actively shoot at me. Thank you, sir.

Sent from my Gallente Erabus Titan on -FA- SRP
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#1823 - 2013-01-09 04:15:31 UTC
Alexander Renoir wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
What the perkle garaztin rice balls is wrong with you people?
Bounties always have a reason behind them, and donot have an effect on you at all!

CCP go and make a login banner in 60 point flashing font that bounties do not equal kill rights!
I garuntee the problem will be over after that.
From seizures, knowledge or the great hunt of the complaining parties that started the assault on our eyes.


You are wrong!
Most of the current bounties do not have an reason behind them! They are spend from some idiot with 100k ISK for no good reason.
For a question in a help channel, for declining accepting a convo or declining to go into your fugging dumb corp or just because you have no bounty at present etc.
We all know, that a bounty does not give legal rights to kill or attack someone! AND THIS IS NOT THE POINT! To reduce the problem to a "simple misunderstanding" would be a crude mistake and would be highly inappropriate.

And your "garuntee" that the problem will be easy gone by just adding a dumb banner into the loginscreen is impudent and shows us, that you have absolutely NOT understand the real problem behind this stupid new bounty system!

A bounty gives someone a touch of an criminal. I, and many many others, do not wish to have a bounty because They NEVER did somethring wrong!

A bounty effects me and others. Even if it is 100k ISK. At least it effects CCP as corporation with the need to generate real money with their product. Two Accounts canceled. After more then 4 years continued subscription (a long time supporter of a help channel). More will follow. I know that. My last Petition was answered with a mass response. I am not allone.

It is not the little bounty for nothing.. it is also the message that comes with it. The message from the disposer AND from CCP.
Think about it. Why does CCP exludes themself from placing bounties on Dev's, GM's and Volunteers? They know that the current system is just a dumb griefing tool which is used from every idiot with 100k ISK.

So you admit why they bountied you then refuse the reason?
They said any reason, not good reasons.
Also CCP is excluded as that would be an ISK sink to end all ISK sinks that would crash the liquidity of the economy so hard and fast that we would achieve speeds exceeding light while simultaneously turning into a singularity.
Also do note I have a bounty, and so do my alts doesnt stop me from hauling in a t1 indi or anything.
Oh and the message thing is easy to get rid of by clicking, though I do feel that getting from every bounty ever on a dude is annoying and should only be done until my bounty is claimed.

And my banner shows that you are not thinking this through.
The bounties are player made, just as the prices.
You are no more a criminal than the guy I framed for stealing these ideas.
You should also explain just how the bounty precludes you from playing.
At least the lvl 4ers in pimp tengus complain about their lack of tank in specific fits (Hint you were a target before hand, now you are even juicier, just as bacon makes steak and shrimp even better)
You dont even do that.

Oh and CCP please do more dev blogs maybe even videos on patches, you keep leaving minor bits out like how all of New Eden shoots me now if I rep an alliance mate or that my guns need to be loaded to kill some one.
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1824 - 2013-01-09 12:05:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
NEONOVUS wrote:
Alexander Renoir wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
What the perkle garaztin rice balls is wrong with you people?
Bounties always have a reason behind them, and donot have an effect on you at all!

CCP go and make a login banner in 60 point flashing font that bounties do not equal kill rights!
I garuntee the problem will be over after that.
From seizures, knowledge or the great hunt of the complaining parties that started the assault on our eyes.


You are wrong!
Most of the current bounties do not have an reason behind them! They are spend from some idiot with 100k ISK for no good reason.
For a question in a help channel, for declining accepting a convo or declining to go into your fugging dumb corp or just because you have no bounty at present etc.
We all know, that a bounty does not give legal rights to kill or attack someone! AND THIS IS NOT THE POINT! To reduce the problem to a "simple misunderstanding" would be a crude mistake and would be highly inappropriate.

And your "garuntee" that the problem will be easy gone by just adding a dumb banner into the loginscreen is impudent and shows us, that you have absolutely NOT understand the real problem behind this stupid new bounty system!

A bounty gives someone a touch of an criminal. I, and many many others, do not wish to have a bounty because They NEVER did somethring wrong!

A bounty effects me and others. Even if it is 100k ISK. At least it effects CCP as corporation with the need to generate real money with their product. Two Accounts canceled. After more then 4 years continued subscription (a long time supporter of a help channel). More will follow. I know that. My last Petition was answered with a mass response. I am not allone.

It is not the little bounty for nothing.. it is also the message that comes with it. The message from the disposer AND from CCP.
Think about it. Why does CCP exludes themself from placing bounties on Dev's, GM's and Volunteers? They know that the current system is just a dumb griefing tool which is used from every idiot with 100k ISK.

So you admit why they bountied you then refuse the reason?
They said any reason, not good reasons.
Also CCP is excluded as that would be an ISK sink to end all ISK sinks that would crash the liquidity of the economy so hard and fast that we would achieve speeds exceeding light while simultaneously turning into a singularity.
Also do note I have a bounty, and so do my alts doesnt stop me from hauling in a t1 indi or anything.
Oh and the message thing is easy to get rid of by clicking, though I do feel that getting from every bounty ever on a dude is annoying and should only be done until my bounty is claimed.

And my banner shows that you are not thinking this through.
The bounties are player made, just as the prices.
You are no more a criminal than the guy I framed for stealing these ideas.
You should also explain just how the bounty precludes you from playing.
At least the lvl 4ers in pimp tengus complain about their lack of tank in specific fits (Hint you were a target before hand, now you are even juicier, just as bacon makes steak and shrimp even better)
You dont even do that.

Oh and CCP please do more dev blogs maybe even videos on patches, you keep leaving minor bits out like how all of New Eden shoots me now if I rep an alliance mate or that my guns need to be loaded to kill some one.



Just pls stop your this unlogical dumb posts.

Some player just put bounty to others because they just thinked about it, put to bounty to anyone is so fun.

This is a logical reason isn't ? If i can put bounty for anyone, why i can't do ?
This is so good for bounty system isn't ?
This is why the bounty system just a ridiculous part of eve already with this rules.
Everyone can put to everyone without any reason. That's a reason if i put you a bounty because i can put you ???
No that's not. It makes no sense to full bounty system.
A newbee ask something on local and some idiot just put his head 5 million ISK ?
This is fun ? Why ? It's an idiotism and just viciousness act, not a reason and just ruin the "GAME".
And what kind of mini profession this is in the game ? Bounty Hunter or legally of Assasin/Hitman work ?
Just put his head a price and we will hunting him without reason or because someone just want to see someone dead ?

How could work this part of game ?
Need to assign a real reason to bounty. A hostile act, like a aggression somewhere (when enemy pilot minimum did a criminal act)
sent war, stole my wreck etc.

And other thing what i dont like it. That's the bad kill right mechanic.

Exacltly when a pilot (pirate etc) attacked an another player (like a ratter) and the attacked pilot lost his right to killrights when he try just save yourself and shot back.
WTF this idiotism ? Other pilot got advantage when i lost my ship when i tried saved me and i will lost the killrights?
This is a same thing when someone trying to kill me on the street, when i triyng to save myself, i should be lost rights for prosecute at the police or justice later.
Kheket
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1825 - 2013-01-09 13:56:34 UTC
I don't see how removing the Jukebox did anything but harm the player experience. I liked being able to select the eve music I enjoyed and skipping past the songs I did not like. Having a convenient way of changing the volume of the music volume was nice too.


If it ain't broke, don't fix it.


Suggestions:
1) Bring it back.
2) Add a menu somewhere so that we can remove tracks from the game music loop.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#1826 - 2013-01-09 14:21:09 UTC
Jukebox caused a backend headache.
Given that there is youtube and sound cloud, you can just play the songs that way.
CCP really should do a devblog on the backend stuff so people understand why it is so big.
Chuckeysbride
Aeronautical Innovations
#1827 - 2013-01-09 14:59:53 UTC
VonKolroth wrote:
Chuckeysbride wrote:
VonKolroth wrote:
Chuckeysbride wrote:
CCP I don't know what the hell you're thinking but this new bounty system sucks ass. Specifically the ability to place a bounty on a character, corporation or alliance for no reason at all. You said this system would be abuse proof, yet, that's the first thing that has happened. You need to add stipulations, such as only being able to put a bounty on someone if they commit a criminal act against you or security status below -1 as before, denoting someone who is committing crimes. I can tell you now from my gang to others I've been talking to you're about to lose a **** ton of subs if this is not fixed and soon. Myself, I have 5 days left on my sub and around 6 to 8 on my other three and have no intentions of renewing until this is fixed. If it's not then I am prepared to walk away because as far as I'm concerned, you just ruined this game.


Adding 50m to Aerospace Innovations for badlord spergposting.



congrats. I just added 150M to you and 150M to your corp for being a douche. Have a nice day and enjoy!


I greatly appreciate the added incentive for others to actively shoot at me. Thank you, sir.



I'm glad you do. You're welcome. :)

Chuckeysbride CEO of Aerospace Innovations and member of Broken Toys Alliance.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1828 - 2013-01-09 15:25:53 UTC
anyone have issues with the launcher patch yesterday? I use this method to handle 2 clients and now when I launch the game, it's trying to launch 3-5 clients at once. Instead of just launching the one client that I want

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Multiple_clients
Alyssia Benar
Disturbing Silence
Disturbing Silence.
#1829 - 2013-01-09 20:40:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Alyssia Benar
// addition "Color Blind Modus" //

I just came back to EVE after a half year long break and i noticed that the new GUI is really small.
As i got a red-green color blindness it just terrible. :(
I'm barely able to see that shield bar when it went down (become red!).

Is their any planning about some kind of color blind modus now?
Would really prefer this.


Also their is some kind of "bug" about weapons.
I just tried to reload my Pulse Laser and was not able to do so because two of the crystals were still fresh/unused.
Arch Convivitor
Tempest Freelancers
#1830 - 2013-01-11 16:34:42 UTC
Agreeing that the bounty system is nonsensical.

Random bounties placed on a whim.

It makes no sense that you can place bounties on "law abiding citizens."

If you want players to be able to order a "hit" on a character, that should be a different thing. A hit-for-hire on an innocent character should be an illegal activity, like it is in the real world.
Tuxedo Catfish
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1831 - 2013-01-11 17:29:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuxedo Catfish
Arch Convivitor wrote:
Agreeing that the bounty system is nonsensical.

Random bounties placed on a whim.

It makes no sense that you can place bounties on "law abiding citizens."

If you want players to be able to order a "hit" on a character, that should be a different thing. A hit-for-hire on an innocent character should be an illegal activity, like it is in the real world.


Capsuleers are supposed to be an unimaginably wealthy and powerful elite, and just like in the real world, the unimaginably wealthy and powerful get to do what they want with only the most cursory of oversight. There are almost no "illegal" activities for capsuleers and the few that do exist barely result in a slap on the wrist.

Alternatively you could just accept that justifying in-game mechanics with realism is idiotic because reality isn't remotely concerned with fun or balance, and that being able to bounty people is entertaining and good for the game. Big smile
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#1832 - 2013-01-11 17:52:34 UTC
Arch Convivitor wrote:
Agreeing that the bounty system is nonsensical.

Random bounties placed on a whim.

It makes no sense that you can place bounties on "law abiding citizens."

If you want players to be able to order a "hit" on a character, that should be a different thing. A hit-for-hire on an innocent character should be an illegal activity, like it is in the real world.

Have you seen what the drug cartels do irl?
They bounty people all the time, military, police, reporters, US, Mexican doesnt matter they bounty you all the time when they want you dead.
Or see what various crazy countries do when they hate some one random bounty despite never entering the country.
I mean George Zimmerman even had a bounty from the Black Panthers when the justice system removed him from the media for a few days so they could actually get some work done.

This is not a real life debate post, this is merely to illustrate that people are bountied IRL all the time for little or no reason.
Chuckeysbride
Aeronautical Innovations
#1833 - 2013-01-11 20:37:35 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Arch Convivitor wrote:
Agreeing that the bounty system is nonsensical.

Random bounties placed on a whim.

It makes no sense that you can place bounties on "law abiding citizens."

If you want players to be able to order a "hit" on a character, that should be a different thing. A hit-for-hire on an innocent character should be an illegal activity, like it is in the real world.

Have you seen what the drug cartels do irl?
They bounty people all the time, military, police, reporters, US, Mexican doesnt matter they bounty you all the time when they want you dead.
Or see what various crazy countries do when they hate some one random bounty despite never entering the country.
I mean George Zimmerman even had a bounty from the Black Panthers when the justice system removed him from the media for a few days so they could actually get some work done.

This is not a real life debate post, this is merely to illustrate that people are bountied IRL all the time for little or no reason.



Good point. The current bounty system still has no place in this game.

Chuckeysbride CEO of Aerospace Innovations and member of Broken Toys Alliance.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#1834 - 2013-01-11 21:17:52 UTC
Ok why?
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1835 - 2013-01-11 22:22:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
NEONOVUS wrote:
Ok why?



this is why i wrote before and thats why you couldn't give a logical answer, because this is the truth when we talking about a bad bounty system already in eve

"Just pls stop your this unlogical dumb posts.

Some player just put bounty to others because they just thinked about it, put to bounty to anyone is so fun.

This is a logical reason isn't ? If i can put bounty for anyone, why i can't do ?
This is so good for bounty system isn't ?
This is why the bounty system just a ridiculous part of eve already with this rules.
Everyone can put to everyone without any reason. That's a reason if i put you a bounty because i can put you ???
No that's not. It makes no sense to full bounty system.
A newbee ask something on local and some idiot just put his head 5 million ISK ?
This is fun ? Why ? It's an idiotism and just viciousness act, not a reason and just ruin the "GAME".
And what kind of mini profession this is in the game ? Bounty Hunter or legally of Assasin/Hitman work ?
Just put his head a price and we will hunting him without reason or because someone just want to see someone dead ?

How could work this part of game ?
Need to assign a real reason to bounty. A hostile act, like a aggression somewhere (when enemy pilot minimum did a criminal act) sent war, stole my wreck etc. (Where you saw legally bounty office anywhere which is just hunt innocent peoples for fun not just the criminals ?)

And other thing what i dont like it. That's the bad kill right mechanic.

Exactly when a pilot (pirate etc) attacked an another player (like a ratter) and the attacked pilot lost his right to killrights when he try just save yourself and shot back.
WTF this idiotism ? Other pilot got advantage when i lost my ship when i tried saved me and i will lost the killrights?
This is a same thing when someone trying to kill me on the street, and when i trying to save myself, i lost rights for prosecute at the police or justice later."
Arch Convivitor
Tempest Freelancers
#1836 - 2013-01-12 18:06:31 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:

Have you seen what the drug cartels do irl?
They bounty people all the time, military, police, reporters, US, Mexican doesnt matter they bounty you all the time when they want you dead.
... this is merely to illustrate that people are bountied IRL all the time for little or no reason.


What you are talking about are unsanctioned hits and murders. Real bounty hunting is a legal, sanctioned activity, as it currently is in Eve.

Either you utterly fail to appreciate my point, or are just confused.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#1837 - 2013-01-12 21:27:40 UTC
Arch Convivitor wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:

Have you seen what the drug cartels do irl?
They bounty people all the time, military, police, reporters, US, Mexican doesnt matter they bounty you all the time when they want you dead.
... this is merely to illustrate that people are bountied IRL all the time for little or no reason.


What you are talking about are unsanctioned hits and murders. Real bounty hunting is a legal, sanctioned activity, as it currently is in Eve.

Either you utterly fail to appreciate my point, or are just confused.

Thank you for supporting CCP and me.
Chuckeysbride
Aeronautical Innovations
#1838 - 2013-01-13 11:58:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Chuckeysbride
NEONOVUS wrote:
Arch Convivitor wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:

Have you seen what the drug cartels do irl?
They bounty people all the time, military, police, reporters, US, Mexican doesnt matter they bounty you all the time when they want you dead.
... this is merely to illustrate that people are bountied IRL all the time for little or no reason.


What you are talking about are unsanctioned hits and murders. Real bounty hunting is a legal, sanctioned activity, as it currently is in Eve.

Either you utterly fail to appreciate my point, or are just confused.

Thank you for supporting CCP and me.



Really? You're going to use the Cartel as an example? Okay then your logic is flawed. First off, it's called a CONTRACT. A HIT, NOT A BOUNTY. That's what CCP has just turned the bounty system into. A way to put a contract on a person. It no longer is sanctioned for criminals to be brought to justice, it's now for any morons amusement.

Secondly, while they (Cartels) do put contracts on police, judges, procecutors, fellow drug pushers (who interfear with their business) it's always to kill either the competition or get rid of obsticals. There is NEVER little or no reason for any hit they cause to happen. Your use of the cartel in defence of this bullshit bounty system is not only insulting to anyone with a brain but just goes to prove that CCP doesn't give a damn what their players want nor do they care to admit when they screw something up even worse than it was before they decided to mess with it.

So NEONOVUS, while I get your point, I utterly reject it.

Chuckeysbride CEO of Aerospace Innovations and member of Broken Toys Alliance.
Chuckeysbride
Aeronautical Innovations
#1839 - 2013-01-13 12:07:46 UTC
Chuckeysbride wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
Arch Convivitor wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:

Have you seen what the drug cartels do irl?
They bounty people all the time, military, police, reporters, US, Mexican doesnt matter they bounty you all the time when they want you dead.
... this is merely to illustrate that people are bountied IRL all the time for little or no reason.


What you are talking about are unsanctioned hits and murders. Real bounty hunting is a legal, sanctioned activity, as it currently is in Eve.

Either you utterly fail to appreciate my point, or are just confused.

Thank you for supporting CCP and me.



Really? You're going to use the Cartel as an example? Okay then your logic is flawed. First off, it's called a CONTRACT. A HIT, NOT A BOUNTY. That's what CCP has just turned the bounty system into. A way to put a contract on a person. It no longer is sanctioned for criminals to be brought to justice, it's now for any morons amusement.

Secondly, while they (Cartels) do put contracts on police, judges, procecutors, fellow drug pushers (who interfear with their business) it's always to kill either the competition or get rid of obsticals. There is NEVER little or no reason for any hit they cause to happen. Your use of the cartel in defence of this bullshit bounty system is not only insulting to anyone with a brain but just goes to prove that CCP doesn't give a damn what their players want nor do they care to admit when they screw something up even worse than it was before they decided to mess with it.

Last, while in real life, BOUNTY HUNTING is a legal activity to bring CRIMINALS to justice, that is NOT what is in effect in this game. In real life, you can't just put a bounty on anyone and have it be legal. They have had to have comited a criminal act, with a warrent for their arrest. What CCP has done was institute a contract system where anyone except them can have a price on their head for no reason at all. No one is confused. We're ticked and once again, CCP doesn't care nor do they want to fix the problem THEY STARTED. They just want to ram it down our throats and while they are at it, charge us to do it.

So NEONOVUS, while I get your point, I utterly reject it.

Chuckeysbride CEO of Aerospace Innovations and member of Broken Toys Alliance.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1840 - 2013-01-14 11:15:02 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
In real life if you blow up someone's car with your tank while they're in it the police will probably do a bit more than just blow up your tank and put a mark on your record. You're trying to parallel things that aren't supposed to be.

Besides, in real life I CAN put a bounty on any person's head if I want to, and other people CAN try to collect that bounty. And if they were to hit that person, so to speak, I would pay them the money. The only difference is we have laws against doing that, same as we have laws against theft and scamming, which don't really exist in EVE.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)