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P.s. all nullsec with no local..... teamwork ftw

Also, the gas clouds and nebula, they look cheap. For a game w/ all these graphic overhauls, seems negligent that you'd overlook that. They literally look like 2d images.

The only complaint i have about retribution is the Ai Handling of drones. they no longer function at all in a mission environment the sole purpose of drones was to allow large mission running ships to kill fast friggates but now that they randomly switch targets to kill drones they cant be used anymore

BUFF DRONES UP THE ASS

STOP AI FROM TARGETING THEM

These are really the only two options and the AI nerf is the easier since buffing will unbalance the PVP aspect

I can't say I've read the entirety of the thread before posting this, I skimmed quite a bit so please forgive me if I'm being repetitive.

I must say I still have to mull over many aspects of Retribution and since I'm a noob (started playing Feb/2012) I still have much to learn to be able to form a proper judgement.

But I think it is appropriate for me to relate a bit of personal experience for the sake of improvement and revision.

I am a very lawful player. Some will probably call me a carebear. I'd like to think of myself as an explorer with a loyal heart and a sound principles. I don't like to attack ships that can't defend themselves, hate ganging up on clearly inferior foes and unfairness in general. But this is me and of course I don't expect anyone to abide by my high-minded ideals (for them I have my evil pirate alt :P). Wormholes are my thing, explo is what I love and it's where I try to put all my chips.

So, a couple of months ago I used to live in a C5 with my buddies and we had a sweet deal going on (T3 production, the works). Unfortunately, one of our members that was already showing signs of untrustworthyness, used a schism that was growing between the senior members to rob us. Since we saw it coming, the damage wasn't as bad (we lost 1/6 of our total assets) as it could have been, but we still lost around 7 billion isk for this scumbag. We tried to smite him silly, but he only hangs around in High Sec and managed to keep out of trouble.

When Retribution came up, I saw the bounty system as possible way to get some overdue payback from this individual, and I went and put a bounty on him. Nothing very fancy, just 25 million isk, to make him turn a few eyes.

What did he do? Sent me a nice little mail and placed a bounty on my head.

I could say my overall reaction was of amusement, but this made me raise an eyebrow to the bounty system. I'm a nice guy, I do my stuff, I protect my friends and our stuff and I try to stay out of trouble. Even when my mates shoots up something loaded with goodies I make a point on commenting on the unfairness of the situation (if there were any). So I put a bounty on someone that did some really nasty stuff to us and I just get a bounty back as thank you? I'm not mad at this, but it raises several ethical questions.

This bounty system needs a lot of improvement, and it needs limits. Another important thing this story reminds me is that corporations, specially small ones, should be granted to tools to properly control access and usage of it's assets. We have a byzantine system that don't actually work, and useless complexity is ridiculous and disappointing.


We can't having people placing bounties on each other just because someone said something they did not like in chat. Or because you saw them in Amarr or Jita and you did not like his portrait. Or perhaps because he is just mining somewhere peacefully and you happen to be a bigoted ****** that can't respect how other people choose to play the game.

We, as a community, can't have a tool that greatly enhances and encourages bullying and trolling without any kind of control or regulation. This is a severe mistake, one that should be corrected soon.

i like the corax... looks like a submarine :)

however, nice ships and i also like the renodelled ships. Good work at all.

This would be true if bounty would grant others kill rights against you. But it doesn't.

Pascalle and many high sec dwellers in this thread read the meaning and implications of bounty on them all wrong. Nobody will attack you just because you have high bounty. In null sec. low sec and in high sec wars 99.99% of non-blues would and will attack you anyway, bounty or no bounty. In high sec the attack has to be suicide gank, and for that you have to be flying something expensive. Suicide ganker doesn't benefit from big bounty if you fly something cheap. Remember that he only gets 20% of the damage done. And if you fly something expensive, the suicide gank risk is the same, bounty or no bounty. If you are a peaceful high sec'er, you really shouldn't be concerned if somebody places bounty on you.

Basically the new bounty feature is not a feature that makes any difference at all it sounds like

I really really love Eve these days and this patch is early christmas with a great gift to gameplay...

The only 2 things I really don't like:

The ability to make a killright available to the public : First off I see a lot of potential griefing if people want to. For a pvp game I think it's a shame to have mechanics that go beyond "balanced consequences" and potentially scare new players and carefull hi-sec habitants away from going to lowsec trying out pvp aspects of the game due to potentially loosing something way out of proportion...

Balancing of ASBs : Ancillary Shield Boosters was nerfed so that 2 of them are balanced, but in return single ASB setups are made useless. It would have made perfect sense to only allow 1 pr ship, tweak the amount of cap boosters and be happy with it. But now the mod has become a "must-have-2" to be successfull and as such smaller ships with limited amount of slots are back to not being usefull in pvp again (unless you fit 2 ASBs)

Besides this I cannot wait for more tiericide and see the balance starting to affect T2 ships as well. Good work CCP for really working on your game in a healthy way. Just don't get too cocky because nobody's perfect...

They're V3ing all the ships before they get to the "space fluff" like stations, gates, and other deadspace structures.

WTF??? need big expensive ship to gank?? bullcrap just go you tube and type in 'high sec gank' and check out the vids...
theres a guide to high sec ganking using dessies and costing around 7m isk so any bounty over that is profit. if gankers can now gain rewards on top of thrills when committing offences against other players give me one good reason for them to say no??? what good sense of moral judgement???? care bears have been screwed by CCP plain and simple fecked up our drones increased mission difficulties and made it hunting season on us...

so what is 20% of 100mill?? oh yeah 20 mill... so a 11mill bounty on my head flying a noctis (slow to move or warp) kitted and worth 100 mill ish the BH get 20% of my worth or the full bounty which ever is the smaller figure.. so they get 11m they make 4 mill profit i lose 100mill and if im podded well full +5's so kiss good by half a billion isk.

HAS ANYONE WHO WORKS FOR CCP ACTUALY LOGGED INTO EVE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS?? CAUSE THEY CLEARLY DONT UNDERSTAND PLAYER MENTALITY..