Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You do fail to understand what is happening here. The reason these PLEXes are so liked is because the provide just enough incentive to check out, but are not really worth farming. They were typically run in a PVP fit ship that ran the site only because there was no fight. I figure when I used to run these that about 1/3 times I would get a fight, the other 2/3 times I would just run the PLEX. Also it was not really viable to camp them with ships like a gatecamp. Just not enough activity to be worth doing that, and since the targets were frigates, they would just be able to escape anyways. This isn't like a stargate on a trade route where there are tons of ships going through looking for a shortcut. The only people who really were likely to show up were other PvP oriented folk in frigates. Lots of great fights.

Angelus Ryan
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Christmas is over, back to post tending. We are still here and still waiting. :)

I just see a lot of sabre pilots ranges.

I can still recall that how I was disappointed as a noob pilot, when entered three 2/10s and saw only broken structures or empty cans.

Good job CCP, more chances to newbies, let the 2/10 camping sabres/dramiels get to low sec


To liars who talking about PVP: there are lots of FW sites there and they are much better place for 1v1 or small gang pvps than low-sec 2/10s, enjoy it or try to make up another reason to pull the high-sec veteran farms back.

Poster blatantly hasn't read the thread, seems to think we are talking about null or else why Sabre? and also can't spell 'rage'

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I don't understand this holiday thing since I'm still working. :(

I'm not making accusations of forgetting but I also am not going to let the topic sink back into the depths of the section.

A location in lowsec that encourages PvP is a metagame?

Others in this thread have done a wonderful job explaining how these sites in low-sec encourage pvp. They know what they are talking about and I would suggest you read / re-read what they have written with a more open mind.

That said, I am glad to see some devs have been made aware of how the plexes encourage pvp and are willing to take a second look at them.

I have read the thread, so I do now get it.

"A location in lowsec that encourages PvP is a metagame?"

That's the problem right there, encourage? If players actually need places that "encourage" something to happen, you don't think its a problem? Why hasn't anyone just suggested to pick a few systems and "encourage" people to go there for frig fights, cause I'm pretty damn sure that the module drops from ships are worth more then running the low lev plexes, so afterwards, if they still don't go there, it means they didn't want those fights in the first place, and the only reason you're getting fights in the current mechanic is because you're just catching more stray greedy players who went there thinking they could run the complex unmolested. You set up a real "fight club" for 1v1 where the winner takes the spoils, and you'd get better turnouts, heck, you will get ME to come there.

I have ZERO reasons right now to randomly enter lowsec and risk multiple possible gatecamps for a low level complex. These fights you're thinking of will be between people like you that already live there, and that don't have an issue losing ships because they have their income streams worked out, and don't go there to run the plex in the first place - ie the fun is in the fight. If you want the rest of hisec to come out there for fights, ie the larger slice of the EVE population, there better be a better reason to be out there, cause getting there alive can be half the problem. Even if you were to make the complex rewards even better it would simply mean more people would be camping there waiting.

EVE mechanics are showing their age, and are based on old concepts that lose more and more meaning every time a new patch comes out. I was not being critical of what people are talking about in this thread, I'm trying to point out that it's ass-backwards logic because the fights are a side-effect, and not the intended idea.

You guys really want emergent gameplay? Start a proper fight club that attracts crowds. They started Bomber Bar and see what happened there, why not Frig Club? ... just don't tell Bomber Bar where it is, cause that might turn awkward.

Yet again someone explains it well. And hey hey Thor. :-)

DSpite: I question the reasoning behind your posts. The only pvp record that I can find is a single loss on the E-Uni board and zero losses/kills on both battleclinic and eve-kill. This screams of alt character posting at best and ignorance of the subject matter at worst.

Much of Eve functions as it was not intended to function.

The static complexes were on the overview. The overview that is right there, that we all use, that one can notice the static beacon on vs the scanner which like it or not is layered down far enough not to be an immediate thing for people passing through.

We do not want nor have we asked for an arena like other MMO's. What we have asked for, at the start, was an explanation on why the static complexes were removed. It was a single line noted in the patch notes. Considering the age of the static complexes the removal was sudden and unexpected.

Next, we discussed the static complexes as ISK generators for low sec. I do not think a single person in this thread, with a clue, especially the ones that post with the characters that they play that live in low sec and interact with these complexes, has asked or cared about their removal from high sec. Their removal from high sec makes a lot of sense.

The static complexes gave low sec a point of isk generation for newer characters. This is rather important because we often ask our new players for a level of self sufficiency. Activities that they can do on their own are rare. Even the sites that they can scan down are significantly harder then high sec. Considering that people PvE in their PvP ships a place like that static complexes were interesting.

We have continued, through this thread to explain that the nature of Eve had allowed the static complexes to grow beyond their intended usage. This is the natural state of play in Eve. It is obvious, by your own lack of understanding that what we have done with these environments were relatively unknown outside of low sec. Hence, we have striven to explain and bring to light one of the many activities we have in low sec where there is a vibrant culture of its own.

At no point have we asked for an artificial creation of an arena for fighting. We live and fight in the area because we want to live and fight in the area. What the Beacons did was break up the monotony of the systems and drop points of interest into them. This has also been explained. The ease of access for the beacons opened them up for many reasons from curiosity to boredom. The mechanics of the gates allowed for combat adaptations that created an environmental that was healthy for small ship fighting. Eventually, cultures grew up around these locations and they became small ship fighting hubs much as the trade hubs in the game have grown up despite the lack of intent for them to become trade hubs.

We had done something with the space we lived in. We had created an environment and we want to preserve it. With the sudden removal of the complexes, in this thread, we have sought to bring to light these endeavors and create an understanding for what we did and why we are asking for communication about what happened with the complexes, is there a change for a reversal based off of our information or can we at least open up talks to move forward with a future to keep this unique aspect of low sec alive and healthy.

What we have asked for so far is communication and discussion. We have offered up ideas from "please put them back" all the way to new possible mechanics that function around the same basic concepts of before which do not create an artificial environment.

The people posting in this thread come from all walks of playing style but they all have the same thing in common. They live or spend time in low sec, they fight, and they interacted with these complexes. What anyone skimming this thread will not realize is that most of us know each other and we know each other from the other end of our turrets. There are people in this thread that would never share the same spot in space voluntarily. Yet here, everyone has come together because the goal is large enough to organize the community to fight for it.

You do not know us DSpite, but we are still trying to explain ourselves, yet again.