EVE General Discussion

Thanks for posing that Mr. Dev. I am appeased, hell greatly pleased by CCP's vision for WIS, which is of actual gameplay instead of barbies & emoting. However I am sure that the rest of us would like more details on WIS in form of an official devblog or presentation, please release those asap when you feel the time is right. I am overjoyed that the soul of EVE will not be contaminated by cheesy frivolous crap. You barbie lovers are SOL lol getout.

Please don't misunderstand. The dismissive 'space barbie' comments haven't been aimed at CCP or WiS itself, but at the posters who actually want WiS to be nothing more than a Space-Second Life where dressing-up their avatar in the mirror and /dance emotes in a pretend bar are considered the heights of compelling gameplay. There have been a number of posters who actually rolled their eyes and grumbled when Team Avatar started talking about prototyping gameplay content, who are opposed any of those nasty consequential actions interfering with the social environments and NeX purchases, and who think that if only CCP had stood their ground last summer over the post-Incarna revolt, then Eve would now be entering a golden age of gameplay-vacuum communal spaces and $70 monocles, with millions of new players flocking to Eve's doors so that they can drink pretend beer in a pretend pub and watch pretend exotic dancers, whilst never looking at any of that silly spaceship gameplay nonsense.

I, and I'm sure most of the posters in this thread, want to see WiS development, but we want to see it developed in a way which ties into and enriches the wider Eve environment, and we were enthusiastic about Team Avatar's work (if somewhat baffled as to why it had taken 6 years of development before CCP had thought to start working on the gameplay). Most of all, we were glad to see the back of the pre-Incarna 'get our subscribers to pay for Eve twice, and to hell with giving them anything fun to do' attitude which soured matters greatly.

Thanks for all your work, RedDawn and the rest of TA.

Why can't we have it all? The space barbie dress-up part and the going out to explore and shoot people in the face part. Can't go around abandoned, hostile sleeper space stations while wearing run-of-the-mill spacesuits now can we? Must have high heels and latex catsuits

Thank you for your post. But tell me, what about the original plans for WiS? Establishments and the like. What was CCP planning before the summer of rage? What happened to those assets? Are they shelved, or have they been tossed down a deep hole only to feed Cthulhu?

You have to buy fanfest tickets .we are not worthy to see what they have done so far until fanfest.

nice post mister RedDawn ,but you stil don,t show ,what you are talking about

Victims of our own trolling? Can't even go a clean page without a barbie lover bleating.

There have been many ideas for the years about everything avatar and WIS related. Too many ideas to count and apply ingame. People do not realize this, it was clearly too much to read and comprehend.

Personally, I have seen people roleplaying and emoting in LotRO with their characters. How someone can assume they were destroying the game.

Agreed, generally, but just because other, sillier games have stupid /emotes doesn't mean that /emotes are stupid. If you make them actual expressions and motions that actual people would make, they have a place.

Just make the gestures realistic and focus communication, instead of /dance, /train and /sexy, and it makes perfect sense to have them. Otherwise we're just doing our stiff catwalk stride everywhere, wearing our straight-ahead runway model stare all the time, and how realistic is that?

If you look at "a future vision," there are several emotes of the kind I'm describing.

Capitain Quarters were a good idea.

Was made to serve two major purpose:

1. To facilitate new players approaching EvE. A major limit for EvE in regard of retain new players always been the lack of
of an avatar rappresentation of their character. A large part of players (also the most experienced in MMORPG) have issue in respect of this. I'm sure many of us had to deal with this trying to bring our friends in EvE.

2. To act as content delivery and to smooth the harsh learning curve of EvE. To give them access to informations and options in a more intuitive, pelaseable and imemrsive way. Betetr than tell to them they have to study PDF docs and Excell spreadsheets.

Both this crucial needs are still here.

Of course then leaving the CQ alone had no sense, to work they had to be expanded and intergated with the gameplay.

And yes, afer years of hype everyone was disappointed to see the simple CQ sold as "incarna"

There are two issues here: The first, and lesser, is to do avatars right, so they actually look and act like (extremely wealthy and powerful) people. This is what gets derided as "barbies," when it's really a verisimilitude, individuation, and richness of communication that would be entirely unique to EVE. There are very few MMOs that do this well, and I only say "very few" because there are a number that I'm not familiar with.

The second, and greater, is that avatar gameplay directly adds a completely different kind of game play to EVE. It's not armor and weapon loadouts like DUST and FiS. It won't be FPS gameplay, because that's DUST. You're a ship captain, not elite infantry. So there are two immediate consequences of leaving your pod:

1) CONCORD is no longer tracking your every move;

2) You are just a wet bag of meat, maybe with a knife or a sidearm and a few utility devices.

Therefore, avatar gameplay has the potential to be extremely dangerous: You're probably off CONCORD's radar for a reason, and you're no longer safely tucked away in a kilometer-long engine of destruction. Scatim Helicon, in particular, had a whole bunch of good ideas that riffed on this, but there are many more scattered among the various threads. It can be anything from Rainbow Six style infiltration to Penumbra style survival horror--only with other players, not just computer AI. And, yes, just as you can fly your ship into a system full of blues and relax a bit, you should also be able to navigate your meatbag into corp offices or social areas, because anyone who thinks those are safe also thinks that their ship is totally safe in a sea of blues, and it's just a matter of time before they're in for a rude surprise. This is EVE, after all.

Things like corp offices can be extremely utilitarian. The mapping and tactical functionality that CCP mocked up years ago would be concretely useful and valuable, to loyal corpmates and spies alike.