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Im starting to get tired of this game. All these nerfs and changes starting to make me sick. I dont know how long i can continue playing this game with all these game ruining changes and constant nerfs like NPC AI isk income nerf and drone nerf. So you guys can balance as much you want but it doesnt change the fact that you are breaking this game to annoyance level beyond...

Edit: Frustration typed that.. It wasnt me...

sorry but no, just no.

on all the other ships minmatar, the Missiles slots are meaningless, and the end up filled with utility modules such as smartbombs or neuts / vamp.

so it is understandable that a matar pilot doesn't skilled up missiles because the missile side of the matar ships are only used on to ships ATM: typhoon and hound.

would you say the same to a gallente pilot, since gallente boats also packs missile capacity (like matar tho, only a few useless slots)

well,

i fly only caldari ships and in my 3 year eve experience caldari ships are only for farming isk, maybe for big fleets and most certainly not for solo pvp, from my point of view all caldari ships are the weakest ...

now after missile change thay will be possibly more weaker ...

ferox ... leave resist and do something useful with optimal range (5% damage be nice)

drake ... yes shild tank su.. pretty much, and the problem is in shild base resistance, shild have ~110% but armor ~130%

and please CCP stop nerf caldari ships ... missiles are not that scary :D

Since some people still seem to be confused on the matter, I have made a flowchart of the way the skills will be distributed. If this is blatantly wrong I pray that CCP Fozzie will show mercy on me and only give me a minor lashing and that he will make a chart that is better in every way. If I am right, please refer all who cannot figure this out to the following link:

http://imgur.com/2gJnP

I hope this either clears this up or makes somebody smarter than I clear it up farther (Looking at you CCP Fozzie )

My problem with it, a lot of changes or potentially there are going to be changes to established gameplay mechanics (and not just minor tweaks to them) not even in response to emergent gameplay but because CCP decides they need to change something for whatever reason. For a game like Eve you need to have long term goals and working towards them it gets a bit tiresome when several times you put a lot of effort and training time into something only for CCP to change it drastically just as you almost get there or just as you get there.

Its happened to me so many times that even if its not actually happening I'm getting hesitant to make long term plans for anything just due to the highish chance that it will all be for nothing. Looking at the proposed ganglink changes (and rumours) some good stuff in there but also a lot of fairly big changes that appear to have been done purely for changes sake some of which drastically impact on how I've been playing and things I've been working towards for as far as I can see no good reason. Depending on how some of these pan out in reality when the relevant patches come I can potentially see myself quitting the game as its just not fun to play any more.

WHAT IS THE FOOLISHNESS???

Why because someone installs 425mm autocannons with dual medium energy neutralizer on personal ship, I now can not equip 720mm artillery? Why Sleipnir with two X-large anchilary shield boosters laughing at all other command ships?

Simply increase the powergreed requirements of autocannons and not invent this foolishness! Is not necessary in connection with the stupid energy neutralizers turn Hurricane into a cruiser!

Why, if Drake can installed together heavy missile launchers and large shield extenders, we cut damage of heavy missile rocket?

Simply increase the powergreed requirements of heavy missile launchers and not invent this foolishness!
Let it will be possible to have an existing damage with slow protection or more damage with the assault missile launchers and a short range but with a high protection. Other ships do not must suffer because Drake is unballanced.

Why, if Tengu have uncompromisingly powerful damage bonuses (5% damage and 7,5% ROF per skill level), which make it stronger then Nighthawk for all parameters, we cut damage of heavy missile rocket?

Simply reduce the damage bonuses of Tengu to 5% damage and 5% ROF per skill level as other t2 or t3 cruiser size ships and not invent this foolishness!
Obtain infernal ship if you increase assault missile damage with existing bonuses 5% damage and 7,5% ROF per skill level. Other ships do not must suffer because Tengu is unballanced.

Don't try to balance this with perverse ways!

What skill tree looks like currently:
racial frigates x2 lvl4 - racial cruisers x5 lvl4 - racial battleships x8 lvl5 - racial captial ships x12+
____lvl3\ destroyers x2____lvl3\ battlecruisers x6

What the skill tree CCP is proposing looks like:
racial frigates x2 lvl4 - racial destroyers x2 lvl4 - racial cruisers x5 lvl4 - racial battlecruisers x6 lvl4 - racial battleships x8 lvl4 - racial cap ships x12+

By making Destroyer and Battlecruiser skills a requirement for the next size of ship you're increasing the total training time necessary to get to any hull past a Destroyer. It may not be by much if you really specialize, but it's still an increase. Also, by not changing the training time modifier you're effectively giving older players millions of free skill points while forcing new players to pigeon whole themselves into a specific race of ships with very little room to make adjustments in their skill plans if they happen to not like the race they've initially chosen. Given how difficult it is to bring a new player into EVE in the first place with how steep the learning curve is, do you really want to make things even more confining to a new player? I'd think you'd be looking for ways to make new players able to experience a wider variety of ships and game play instead of making them feel force to abandon a large portion of their already paid for skill points just to try another race's ships. More options faster should be your goal, not more options slower.

Besides that you're changing the whole idea behind Destroyers and Battlecruisers from being an extremely combat oriented variant of a Frigate or Cruiser class ship into them being some sort of stepping stone between the Frigate and Cruiser classes. Destroyers use Frigate class modules. Battlecruisers use Cruiser class. There's very little rationalization for having to learn to pilot a specialized Frigate before being able to learn to use a basic Cruiser. We don't need to learn to pilot Interceptors or Assault Ships before we can learn Cruisers, why should we need to learn Destroyers? The extremely combat oriented ships should branch off each other with basic class skills as secondary skills required since they don't get any benefit from actually having the associated class skill. Even the T2 variants of Destroyers and Battlecruisers, Interdictors and Command Ships, don't get a bonus for having the associated racial basic skill even though they require lvl5 in the skill to pilot. With the intended changes to the skill trees I'm guessing that Interdictors and Command Ships won't require the basic class skills but will instead only require the racial Destroyers or Battlecruisers skills at lvl5 to pilot, while still requiring the current secondary skills required such as Heavy Assault, Logistics, or Interceptors at lvl4.

With all of that in mind I'd like to propose the following skill progression for consideration:

racial frigates x2 lvl4 - racial cruisers x5 lvl4 - racial battleships x8 lvl4 - racial captial ships x12+
____lvl4\ racial destroyers x2 lvl4 - racial battlecruisers x5 (req lvl3 racial cruiser as 2ndary)

By lowering the training time modifier on Battlecruisers you'll be reducing both the amount of free skill points that older players will be getting and the time necessary for new players to experience combat in the ship class that is widely considered the backbone of any pvp fleet. Being given a frigate and told to be a scout or just follow along by a more experienced player may be fun the first few times, but getting on a killmail without being used as fodder by the older players is what most new players are really interested in.