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I would just like to know: Why do we still have bumping at all with regards to ships? Ships warping to 0 to gates sometimes bounce off the gate like a tennis ball. And then there's the "bumping gank" everyone knows about. Freighter pilots are absolutely HELPLESS against that. Sure...you could have a friend double web you...if you have any friends online at the time and in the same corp...and if you don't? Goons get to bounce freighter around in Uedema or neighboring systems until they got a sufficient amount of force to crack that walnut open and scoop out the remains with a "neutral and enterprising" freighter that just happened to be right there as it happened. So again...I have to ask why bumping is still around at all? Must be some in depth, nitty-gritty stuff that expounds upon the virtues of having it. To me I would think removing it with respect to ships would be the solution. Perhaps that would allow for people to bounce off wrecks, gates, containers, and what have you. Can someone enlighten me here?

Bunch of reasons.

But, to strike at the heart of your complaint, why are you complaining that people who bring friends have advantages over those who don't?

wow your post is disturbing....

1.) The NPC aggression flag is earned when you shoot an NPC OR when an NPC shoots you.... in short... you can get it just by sticking around long enough for a rat to aggress you.

2.) The NPC aggression flag does NOT make you a legal target in highsec/lowsec. So, even if it is 15 minutes (which CCP's sadly thinking of reducing to 1 minute... bad ccp, bad!!!), you can shoot all the NPC's you like and you won't be any more a target than you are today.... (although if you have to kill some belt rats for survival sake in highsec, you're probably in more danger than you realize!).

3.) There are two groups of carebears that will be hurt significantly by this change:
a.) Nullbears: Many nullbears often log-off when a hostile comes into system. With the current NPC despawn timer, it is extremely difficult for a group of hostiles to locate that nullbear and destroy him before his ship despawns. This is an extremely effective tactic for nullsec exhumers and ratting carriers, which, due to their slow align times, actually have a minor risk of being caught before they can warp to a safe spot. With a 15 minute despawn timer, they have a much better chance of survival attempting to warp to a safe spot (POS), as a roaming gang can scan them down and gank them within that time frame. This change is an EXTREMELY good thing.

b.) Disconnecters: I know my connection to EvE experiences regular interuptions (which occasionally lead to lost ships). Currently, if I disconnect when running a level IV mission or nullsec plex, my ship attempts to warp off, and then despawns after 2 minutes. If I'm tackled by an NPC rat, my warp off is often prevented, and the rats continue to shoot my ship until I despawn. Many mission ships (like my Kronos) don't run perma-tanks, and cannot survive 15 minutes of NPC aggro (although it can usually survive 2 minutes of aggro). Essentially, CCP is wants to prevent these types of losses, because people feel cheated when they die due to a DC.

The question is, is there a balanced NPC aggression timer that allows for legitimately DC'd players to typically survive, but prevents lame log-offs to avoid PvP interaction. 1 minute is too, too short (it's currently 2 minutes), and 15 minutes is potentially too long (especially for a carrier).

How about you make it a 3 minute NPC log off timer, during which player aggression can result in an indefinitely extendable PvP timer?

Skimming != reading. Guess they need more charts explaining what NPC, PVP, etc mean.

How is it intuitive that shooting one person in an LE has far less in the way of consequences than repping the other? It's not that the Suspect consequence for being a third-party logi is too harsh, it's that there's no sensible parallel between the consequences for essentially parallel actions.

If both third-party shooting and third-party repping tagged someone as a Suspect (for interference) that would be an improvement on the currently proposed system.

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Maybe the shiny new rat AI could deaggress on X's ship after X disappears from Local (i.e., DC'd), but the longer aggro timer could stay. That way, if your connection drops in an L4 the odds are good that your ship will not be blown up by rats, but it will still sit out the aggro timer before warping out, so the logoffski trick won't work.

I'm going to back up Zandalar just a bit here. There were many questions about the PVE aspect of these timers Masterplan missed or chose to not begin to respond to until post 883. So while I think the wording was a little uncouth, I do understand Zandalar’s frustration.
I also agree with those who have expressed frustration with the timers seeming to VERY heavily favor the aggressors and punish people who have real world obligations that might take them away from the computer. I don’t care about the insults I will get from pirates, I play Eve because running missions help me unwind and I can leave them at any time if something comes up.
I have a lot of issues with the direction this game is heading in December including the loss of viability of any Caldari cruiser and the new thought that you cannot let your real life issues allow you to log for a bit, unless you want to have you 1bil isk ship that you worked your ass off to get destroyed by a lucky scan or some other random occurrence. Luckily for all of us Eve is not real life, and we can simply not subscribe if we don’t like the changes. Until that point comes, I will continue to play the current game.

I'm happy with this... especially if the NPC despawn timer is 15 minutes!!!

So yeah, the LE thing is roughly, but not thoroughly, thought through.

Not to mention, if logi are Suspects, then you have the absurd circumstance where if a logi reps a vigilante battling a Suspect, then the logi becomes a Suspect, and the vigilante can turn around and shoot the logi. Which is hilarious, but not exactly intuitive.

I like your Samaritan flag a lot better. There just isn't enough information in the flags proposed here to avoid baffling results in common cases, and your system adds that crucial missing bit of information. Ad-hoc teams make more sense in an MMO context.

CCP said:
They have not mentioned anything about extending LE's beyond a "pair".


You might have missed this important quote too:


This would allow your logistics to rep corp mates, alliance mates, and militia mates without going suspect.... Which is actually TERRIBLE.... as the Suspect doesn't even get attack rights on the logistics pilots. It's essentially creates risk free-logistics to corp/alliance/militia mates, as long as they don't go suspect.