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Don't fly what you can't afford.

And sorry you can no longer only fly RMT faction tengus anymore

Good point I was reading the stuff on the PVP flag line instead of weapons flag line in the chart. Thought I had read somewhere above that the weapons flag did that too.

Still it would an interesting way to push up the conflicts without distorting the behaviors rules...just make it a consequence of physics for both parties.

T3 are fairly expensive for new players who are not converting RL cash to ISK by selling PLEX.

But they really aren't that expensive for serious players who either been around or who are willing to drop a little RL cash to boost things along.

I'd bet most players who have played regularly for 2-3 years and belong to a decent corp or alliance have an income of at least 1-2B ISK per month. If they don't PLEX an extra account or two then they can spend it on T3. If you lose 10-12 Tengu per year...you are probably doing something wrong or your corp/alliance should be gaining enough territory and loot to reimburse you for being a key hard core player.

In the case of T3 think of it this way: those aren't really normal skillpoints they are reputation and repoire points built up with teh AIs that run your T3. So when you lose a T3 the next T3 ships AIs don't trust you or give you optimum performance.

Logi don't need to be on killmails. We're better than that.



But there are no innocents in EVE...



Will players in the same corporation still be able to shoot each other? Back in my uni days, we shot each other for practice :3

I like these proposed changes but I'm not to clear on the whole ejection thing...

Let's say you are in null sec or w-space doing a pve site and you get jumped and tackled by someone. You then spot a HIC and a small fleet on d-scan and you decide that you can't win the fight so it's better to save your pod and eject. Are we still going to be able to do this?

Am I right in thinking that because you have been shooting NPC's and maybe the player in an attempt to get away, you won't be able to eject from your ship for 60 seconds?

All those tengu pilots that get jumped in a sleeper site are really going to feel it when they loose their ship, skill points and their pod... I don't thing all players should be punished just because some people are using the ejection mechanic to exploit the game.

800M is a cost, exactly like flying another 1B ship costs, well, 1B. The additional penalty is an attached string for being allowed to fly an overpowered hull that gave you advantages - enough to outclass T2 specialized ships with a generalist ship.

Hmmm...jetcan 27500m3 Rigged Iteron V 38000+ m3

I can steal a whole jetcan if nobody is guarding it. With merely a suspect flag, I will probably be able to warp from celestial body to celestial body with my stolen cargo for 60 seconds before docking.

LOL - in the past I have had entire cans flipped and stolen them back from under the nose of the can flipper (risky if one of you gets timing wrong). Not being able to immediately dock makes that a bit more risky - but mostly I would just line up to warp to something other than my final docking station.

If you just want to cost miners time...I think you can still flip their jetcan and then shoot it destroying the load. Or is it only your own wrecks? Been so long since I intentionally destroyed my own loot cans. But I can remember seeing people do that in mission sites and complexes to keep ninjas from getting loot years ago.

Funny but this argument seems like its really a pirate complaining about no longer being able to stealing all the loot from from a freighter wreck with a couple of alts. I do understand that can be highly profitable. Currently its fairly easy because often the only one likely to resist just had his ship blown up and was maybe podded too. In future everyone will want to shoot you because you are legal target and any stolen loot is legally up for grabs. It will be tough for pirates to make billions per week any more. You have to hunt for PLEX ships harder to score big ...or settle for much smaller profits off ordinary hauler cargo size.

Then just flip the can into your can and shoot it. I don't care. I was just suggesting a way to make it so they can't get their ore back; be creative.

Hello,

I've read trough the changes and i personally think this is a great change in the right direction.

One thing i find problematic is like most people pointed out the eject interdiction.

I personally do not see any reason a eject interdiction should exist under any circumstance.

Eject idea/principle/mechanic.
It is considered as a unpredictable mechanism triggered by a player to aid in damage mitigation, in our case a player can eject at any time to save his pod(implats)/(T3 skillpoints). By this idea the eject function should be usable under any circumstances.
The mechanic is at the player side ejection is a personal action nobody can prevent you you have the buttons.

Why interdict ejection?
I see no proper reasons to do it but i can think of something remotely plausible like trying to keep people committed but i think your are forcing overcommitment.

Why not have interdicted ejection?
Well first because its the players decision and it should not be take away.
It prevents people from fighting back until they think they can't win because once you fight back you can't run.
Fights will be a black and white thing. People either decide to fight and die horribly if they can't make it or they instantly eject and run. (It might lead to more ships captured but this will be a gain for pirates only and will make T3 highly unpopular in PvP if that is what your target is.

Workaround/Justification

I understand the principle of keeping people committed to a fight but why not let fights get fought and make it interesting because people should be able to chose if they want to risk the pod and fight till the end or see that they can't win and save what they can. In each case the ship is lost but further mitigation is in the hands of the player giving depth of skill a room to grow. And its great for people to earn experience while not having to sacrifice everything.

I can see an alternative by witch one you have weapon aggro times if you eject from a ship you cannot jump into another ship. To prevent people from hopping in and out of ships while in combat so do not prevent ejection prevent jumping into ships. This mechanic should not apply to people who sit till the end in the ship, they should be able to instantly hop in another ship if they are in a pod because of ship destruction but if they ejected from the ship while in combat they should be unable to jump in another ship for as long as the weapon timer lasts. This mechanic would fix the existing mechanic and allow for skill depth to develop and also save the T3 mechanic of skillloss without removing the benefit of interdiction wacky maneuvers in pvp.

T3 skillloss mechanic should be player preventable if you are skilled enough and odds are in your favor. Even like that i could not understand the condemnation of every other ship to pod kill to force a pretty shady mechanic onto players.

Alternative
Let's say you really want to push that skill loss thing over the bridge.

We can meet halfway do not allow ejection in ships that have structure damage. While in combat/ aggro timer.

Why?
Because once you hit structure you kinda know the outcome and its pretty certain what will happen.
Because real combat happens before you get to structure.
It still has depth the more skilled you are in predicting the outcome the more your chances rise of ejecting before structure damage and not lose your pod.
It goes well with the principle the ships internals are on fire you can't run to the pod. (or something)
You can still be caught off guard.
Skillloss on oneshots is still present. And the risk of T3 skillloss is still there if one manages to get you to structure before you have a time to react.
It can still lead to captured ships as it has quite a large buffer where you can eject and the ship still is intact.
It kinda solves most of the problems or all if i think of it.

Further elaboration will give actual meaning to hull repair modules/ hull remote repair. Two flies with one shot.

really I saw no change for after your ship is destroyed by CONCORD.


Now it is true that a pod is much easier to kill than ship. So yes some unscrupulous players might take advantage and pod you illegally -- similar to your taking advantage of essentially unarmed miner. I hope you don't have a bounty or didn't **** off that miner with combat ship in system off too bad. As any ganker knows only gank wearing a JC with implants you don't mind losing too badly.

But as now while in pod you are not legal target for anyone and are not restricted from docking or any other activity pods can do.

As now being in pod will not lose the flags. They are there in case should you board another ship. Under current system, you can already dock in pod and leave station in new ship with timer still going and get blown up immediately by station guns. Th4e new system continues that idea. Wait out your timer and if your standing is not outlaw -- its all over but the kill rights.

The only big change for gankers is that you do NOT have to succeed in destroying target for Kill Rights to be granted to your original target. Well that and your looting alt can be killed by anyone for stealing from victims wreck.