Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Unfortunately, mainly what I pick up off of this is, 'can not stand alone'.

Vs interceptors, the drones will MWD to catch up, then slow down to fire, and the inty will fly right beyond them, causing them to go back into non combat mode MWD'ing again. With only 2 mid slots, this ship will not be able to tackle or web most likely, so will rely on others for trying to keep targets on the field. It also will not be able to put drone mods in mid slots that don't exist, and the limited tank space will limit the chance for DDA's. The drones as they stand currently will be limited on damage it does vs these BC's that suddenly came into the equation, and the Neuting power with small neuts will be much more limited vs ships that large. Vs frigs, and AF's, unless someone webs them, none of them will be insane enough to get close enough for neuts to reach. Vs cruisers, it may be a viable threat, if it can get close enough to use them before being blown to pieces (med weapons from cruisers will HURT vs dessies limited tank).

So it is going to be regulated to a tag along support ship that runs in and neuts a tackled target in gang vs gang warfare? With small neuts, by the time the cap is drained on targets large enough to use them on, the target will usually be dead (some exceptions granted, like Drake, and other high EHP tanks) already. Which will leave it as simply a drone boat that can only use 5 light drones. The Gallente becomes more useful in this situation, The caldari and Minmitar are both also better due to the fact that their missile systems will > the 5 light drones.

If this ship got a +drain AMOUNT as well as a +drain range on the neuts, it might have been a different story. But as it stands currently, I will most definitely own a couple, and I will be trying every fit and scenario I can to try and make it work / desired in groups, but I do not have faith that it will be a wanted ship in pvp. I hate coming across as a pessimist, but a "Mini Curse" this ship is not, due to slot layout and bonus limits.

~Z

That's what I was thinking Garr. My main is in FW and this ship would just be amazing for hanging out at the warp-in. Of course, for non-FW players you could still conceivably camp any point where you know the enemy is going to be forced within easy scram/web range. I'm thinking of 2/10 DED plexes in lowsec, in particular.

Infact, drones destroyer will be murderous at close range, and won't (or marginaly will) be affected by TD, and drones make them extremely resistant to kiting. In fact, I expect no frigate to be able to kill one of them reliably. And if interceptors are the only ships able to kite them, I would not remove this from them ; poor interceptors don't retain too much after the T1 frigate rebalance.

Thx Koujjo, appreciate that. It's turning out about how I expected, although I did not think about a dual rep fit (nice idea that).

woot! mini curse for the amarr :) although TD bonus would've been more fun ;)

As a gallente pilot, even currently, as soon as you want something bigger than a destroyer, you *need* drone skills anyway. Even most of gallente frigates profit from drone skills. The one drone on the incursus can make the difference, but for cruisers and higher, that's not even marginal.

idk if this is the best place for this, nor do i know if I will ever get a response. However....

Why does the Corax (Caldari destroyer's name) have a kinetic missile damage bonus?
Let's take a look at the 4 main weapon systems:

• Lasers only do EM and THM because they are essentially focusing light. It makes sense that EM and THM is the damage type lasers do.
• Hybrids: afaik only does THM and KIN damage. but that makes sense because it is essentially a insanely hot plasma hitting you.
• Projectiles: Does all types of damage. This makes sense because you can make bullets burst out light, explode, catch fire, actually hit the targets.
• Missiles: All 4 damage types. Again with the projectiles you can make a missile do a lot of things.

I though Caldari was getting away from this Kenetic missiles damage bonus during the rebalancing. The kestrel lost the bonus. The Caracal lost the bonus. I had hopes the Drake would lose it also. I am so filled with joy because of the option of doing actual DPS with other damage types for the penalty of having to take 10 seconds to reload. But this kinetic bonus just pigeon holes caldari pilots to one predictable damage type.

IMO there is no good reason I can think of why a ship would even care what type of missile are loaded. All the ship does is fire the missile. It makes so much more sense for a ship to get an ROF bonus than a damage type bonus.

We have these wonderful flavors of missiles. I want choices. I want to use these other damage types. I want to adapt to situations like projectiles can. My Raven is awesome because I can adapt to to those changing situations. It feels great doing a useful damage type to a target. I am sure the Caracal and kestrel will have the same level of greatness.

My question is why is the bonus still popping up after other ships were just bonused away from it? It just doesn't make sense.

It's not pigeonholing. You still have the choice, though you have to think about it : is it worthwhile to swap ammo ? Sometimes, the answer is yes. Compared to gallente or amarr, it is a HUGE advantage. Some ships are blessed with ROF bonus instead of kin damage, that's an even huger advantage.

And for minmatar, they don't have T2 ammo with selectable damage.

And if it's the reason which trouble you, consider that the missile guiding system on the ship is specifically geared toward kinetic variation of the missiles. It's scifi, everything can make sense if you find a reason for it.

I don't think we need more ships with selectable damage.

The issue I see with the Dragoon is that for small frigate fights, it the small nos being effective counter against the neuting. The nos allows the frigate to suck enough cap to keep his modules running.

More dps imo is better than the neuts.

I tried the Dragoon on Buckingham this weekend and actually got good results against a variety of targets. I was able to kill an active tank Hawk though it had a vamp fitted and even got good results against a Thorax (=still dying but only after considerable time, might have killed him, if I had focused his drones down).
Furthermore I was easily able to kill a kiting Talwar with just small drones. They look weird when they zap to the target, stop to fire a shot and then zap again, but they still work pretty reliably.


The thing with Buckingham is though that I had to discard a lot of fights because the opponents were either terribly fitted or unreasonably fitted (as in flying Cambions and officer fits).
So I urge everyone in this thread to go to Buckingham and try these ships out, the more results we can get, the better.