Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't even... y'know, you're right man. You are absolutely right. I agree with absolutely everything you say, and there is no further need to continue this discussion because of how right you are.

Oh...you mean like the alpha strike from the missile destroyers? Having the destroyer be good at its job is working as intended. Besides, when is the last time frigates roamed solo? Everyone knows frigates are a gang vehicle, and if its an AF soloing, then the dessie is going to be in trouble anyway.

Would be decent.

In short we have a few terribubbles in this thread including some random guy who keeps going on about his drone fixation. He's on some personal crusade (props and keep doing your thang). Which is somewhat amusing, but I tend to ignore his post.

Drones are working as intended and don't really need to be looked @.

Heavy drones or Medium drones should not have an easy time tracking destroyers or frigates. That's silly and it's like saying Large pulse lasers should track frigates, because otherwise they're not able to do damage. *snip*
Also, if CCP wanted to improve drone tracking. They could just reduce the base speed of drones. I mean if they're orbiting @ lower velocities they will track better. While maintain some ang/transversal against anything atempting to destroy them.

Anyway, it's not a BIG deal.


EDIT Do not attempt to avoid the profanity filter again thank you - ISD Type40.

Actually the main issue with drones applying damage is generally the lag between AB/MWD that causes them to lag behind their targets.

Obvious sarcasm is obvious- thank you. FW = awfulbroken

pfft webs. You could get volleyed by a cockbag thrasher or kite/sniped by a cormorant and webs won't have anything to do with it. So yes there is a world where small ships only shoot each other while not webbing them. Sure, sometimes the other guy(s) is waiting for you on the warpin beacon with a web, but not always. And if you are part of a gang you just may be among the lucky ones that don't get webbed when you enter. It does happen.

I alway like the "BattleStar" or Battle Carrier feel the Gallente ships with split weapon bonuses give.

I fully agree with this and you've summarized it very well.

So yes CCP this please, focused DPS hulls no secondary weapon bonuses, specially on sub cap ships.

I'm afraid not. If you're getting half of your damage from turrets on your Myrm, then you must have abysmal drone skills. My suggestion is to train more drone skills (drone interfacting will give your drones a significantly stronger dd hit, drone ss will have them hitting more often, etc.).

I also want to comment that they "don't design ship[s] for pve"--I think the entire line of Mauraders would say no, as well as the Raven and several others. The fact is that a large group of players solely do pve content, and I think it's a terribly short sighted and fairly weak attempt at a straw man argument to say that all ships are designed with pvp in mind.

Also, I'm going to disagree again that "a weapon bonus on a drone boat make (sic) it twice as much effective than a second drone bonus. . . ." Again, the problem with split weapon systems is 1) they require much more skill training to execute them effectively and 2) you have to deal with twice the positional requirements, etc., when applying your dps. If drone ships were double bonused for drone damage and application, (in exactly the same way that turret ships are (pick two: RoF, Falloff, Tracking, Damage %, etc.) then you would see the largest percentage of the damage coming from their primary weapon systems--namely, drones.

"Drones would simply die"--is really unfortunate, and should seriously be addressed. I'm not aware that my lasers on my Abaddon can "die" in any fashion. And I've never heard of my friends' 1400mm Arty doing the same, either. While it's obvious that drones should be killable, it's not obvious that ships that derive a large part of their damage (and hopefully one day nearly all of it) should have an easily killable weapons system. Missile launchers and turrets will never get sniped by a gate gun rendering that ship useless. +20% drone hp/level is one way to go. Additionally, drones already have some serious drawbacks. Fight start-to-dps-application time is already slow, and I can't overheat my drones for that extra oomph to finish my opponent off. The way to kill drones (outside of a lengthy gunfight with one) should be to kill the ship that launched them. Period.

Please don't compare "the amarr way" because their drone ships are EWAR primary ships, with drone damage as a secondary application method. I'm not sure how you are intending that the Gurista way somehow disables their opponent ships, as their ships have no bonuses or similar to support a conclusion that their design intent is to disable ships while their drones do the killing. If anything, their +missile damage role bonuses support a finding that they are missile/drone ships over drone/drone ships.

Unfortunately, at the end of the day, all drone ships are split dps weapon systems, except carriers, which are in a completely different category and beyond the scope of this discussion. There are no "solely focused" drone ships. This, too, really needs to be addressed. Drones are a fun weapons system that should have hulls devoted to making those little guys hit like rocks and allow the mothership hull to kite. Hell, everyone else has kiting-desiged hulls, and they don't have to worry about their guns being blown up.