EVE General Discussion

Yes you do. Read it. There is no dichotomy let alone a false one.

I have presented several points on this topic. But it comes down to the one fundamental question.

WHY do Goons need to have their own bots reported to the heirarchy? Why can't an ordinary Goon report a bot he finds without threat of expulsion? Why, given that it can be done anonymously anyway, is it even declared as policy?

Somebody in Goons hates bots, has acted and now Goons are all over it. Why?


So an absence of law makes it right?

Read my posts again (after you read the Dichotomy wiki).

I am ASKING for it to be included in the EULA and this is the perfect reason it should be. CCP needs to clarify a position here. Goons may have said "report to us and we'll deal". They said "don't report to CCP". Why?

It's sending the wrong message? Join Goons and you won't get reported to CCP but Mittens will decide your fate if he so choses!

Which might bring us to "A Dichotomy" if there is one.

Is an alliance (if they declare a policy of "report to diplo") now considered responsible for bots? If so then the alliance takes a hit if they're found with bots.

Or they are not responsible and must remain so. Leave it to the player report feature and CCP. Don't interfere in the process. Simple.

Weren't you defending Goon botting a few days ago? I made the claim that it's logical to assume that MIttens finances his life style not from being a retired lawyer (he's like how old? 15?) but from his RMT empire. And the assumption follows, that since in the past year CCP has made arbitrary game design decisions that actively reduce their competition/increase Goons' RMT profits, that a few key devs are in the pocket of the Goons.

edit: and unless Sreegs is actively cheating for his old buddies, reporting botters is anonymous. And if Sreegs is actively cheating and you get banned for your anonymous report, the rest of EVE needs to know.

Let's leave no room for error here. For there is an Option 4 and the best one in my opinion. Stay in the Alliance in this case GSF and report the **** out of every botter you see. You are perfectly protected and don't need to say a damn thing to your corrupt ass leadership..

GO HARD!

I don't know how many cards out of the 52 Goons have left to pull.. LmAo

This post is TRUE!

Wrong
A person or persons in the Goon leadership have stated, not the alliance.
And once again it comes down to I am telling you go jump off that bridge.
My response is, that is nice you first.

Now if player (A) reported player (B) for botting to director (C)
Can any of the above be banned.
NO

IT is all talk, and nothing more.
CCP makes the determination if a person is a Botter not the players.

ANd the best part about this whole thing is Goon's was the loudest screamers about BOB and there evil ways.
And now you could say Goon's screamed cause BOB was in the way of the Goonies own projects.



DOn't forget to report all this to internal affairs.

I know you can't be this blind or ignorant or just plain stupid. The point being made here is that the botter would not be reported. Saying "Come tell us and we'll handle it.." is bullshit. It will just be swept under the rug and nothing done about it except for a few Goon boardroom lulz..

They also give a sense in so many words that if you report them its like "snitching" to CCP. This is false, you aren't going to tell some Reds about how you're coming to take their space and how you plan on doing it. You are reporting someone who is abusing/cheating in the game. Its outside the spectrum of breaking your loyalty to the Alliance. It's getting heaters.out of a game that does not allow/accept this type of "cheating".. CCP gives you an inch you scabs take a mile and null with it..

Errrmmm.... Which definition of "leadership" have you used?


Correct, but what are the consequences for Player A if Player B is good friend (or even the alt) of Director C?


Aha..... You go it.

So should Goons be publically declaring that their players must tell ONLY alliance leadership about bots when they categorically state it's NOT up to the Goons to "police for CCP"?

We must either accept that Goons are a loyal little bunch and a blind bunch of non-thinking sheep or that they are in fact capable of making their own decisions.

Is Goons leadership assuming the former and to hell with what CCP think? (Read: We make our own rules. Comply peons!)

Or are they hoping to put the skids on the latter to get CCP off the botters backs? (Read: We're copping some flak from CCP about the number of bots reported guys, just go quiet for awhile please...)

Why is it a crappy thing to do?

The report bot function doesn't cause any penalties to be imposed on the account. If CCP reviews the case and decides that the reported player is actually botting, CCP will impose penalties on the account. Those penalties will not get imposed as a direct consequence of one player using the report bot function.

If they're not botting, they won't be banned, regardless of how many times player use the report bot function to report that player.

Since CCP made them assume responsibility for members breaking the EULA:



CCP set the precedent. Now like all good organisations they have found a way to use it.