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Petrus Blackshell

Rifterlings

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#161 - 2012-09-01 18:03:01 UTC

DarthNefarius wrote:

Since FW has a member I don't hear about FW needing nerfs even though 8 day old ALTs are making 3 times what incursion runners were making at the peak. CSM should be about damage control not about whinning about NULL being so spacerich.

Actually, FW farming is taking a huge nerf.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1865084#post1865084
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1866320#post1866320

Please inform yourself before making wild accusations.

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DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#162 - 2012-09-01 18:08:33 UTC

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

DarthNefarius wrote:

These nerfs where not at the behest of the CSM though were they?

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'

James Amril-Kesh

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#163 - 2012-09-01 18:12:06 UTC

Jenn aSide wrote:

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Jenn aSide wrote:

Too-Boku wrote:

For all the people who like to toss around the 80% high sec figure: that stat also slaps you in the face. You could load the CSM with your people every year.

Bears don't care. As long as that wallet keeps flashing, they are oblivious.

Not only that, but if they REALLY cared, Goons wouldn't have a single sov system because the high sec swarms of misison running ravens and super pimped incursion Nightmares would be raping them nightly.......

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but if not then that's just sad.

English new to you?

The point is all those high sec people spouting how the game is mostly high sec players (It isn't, but that's what they suggest) should be spending the time they lose complaining to grouping together and killing the Goons and co, who are a MINORITY compared to them.

The fact is, the devlopers made the game to center on player generated content, which mostly means null sec, an the people who don't like null sec are just blowing wind on the forums because they know they can't really change that.

No, I'm just not very good with sarcasm. I have this weird paradoxical thing going where sometimes the more obvious your sarcasm is, the less likely I am to get it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#164 - 2012-09-01 18:13:03 UTC | Edited by: Andski

DarthNefarius wrote:

These nerfs where not at the behest of the CSM though were they?

The last CSM summit took place before the patch with the FW overhaul was released. I somehow doubt that they were going to predict the farming.

Let's face it, it took CCP more than a year to fix vanguard farming. This is getting fixed much quicker.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#165 - 2012-09-01 18:26:25 UTC | Edited by: DarthNefarius

Since all members of the CSM are brought in in a popular vote it is doubtfull that there will ever be a HI SEC representative because the game play in HI SEC does not necessitate a large Alliance like NULL SEC does. Worm Hole & lo sec FW have to bind together also to stay alive so I see how they'd also have an advantage in voting in CSM reps...
If CCP or the CSM did want true HI SEC representatives they'd have to change the election process which I admitt is not easy becausehow do you figure out a persons residence in Eve? There are no real homes we're abunch of nomads for the most part. Maybe if CCP made voting a 2 part question: where is your home system & who do you want elected then we could get sector representatives instead of a pure popular vote but of course ifit was done voluntarily it'd be ripe for gaming.

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'


James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#166 - 2012-09-01 18:27:33 UTC I don't see what the problem is. If you don't vote you don't get representation. Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Petrus Blackshell

Rifterlings

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#167 - 2012-09-01 18:27:53 UTC

Andski wrote:

DarthNefarius wrote:

These nerfs where not at the behest of the CSM though were they?

They weren't decided on at the CSM summit, but CCP has been getting feedback from the CSM asking FW farming to be nerfed. See Hans Jagerblitzen's blog: http://hansshotfirst.blogspot.com/. You won't find him complaining about the proposed changes, I don't think.

Sometimes to keep a gameplay style viable, balanced and fun, you have to nerf its profitability.

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DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#168 - 2012-09-01 18:29:52 UTC | Edited by: DarthNefarius

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Sometimes to keep a gameplay style viable, balanced and fun, you have to nerf its profitability.

lol then why is TECHnetium been such a profitable unnerfed bottle neck ever since I startedplaying the game years ago?
I'll answer it for you: because the head of the CSM was the owner of nearly all the TECH MOONsNow that he is not theTECH nerfs ( ie alchemy & pushing of ring mining ) has begun!

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'

Petrus Blackshell

Rifterlings

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#169 - 2012-09-01 18:32:21 UTC

DarthNefarius wrote:

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Sometimes to keep a gameplay style viable, balanced and fun, you have to nerf its profitability.

lol then why is TECHnetium been such a profitable unnerfed bottle neck ever since I startedplaying the game years ago?

Someone dropped the ball there hard. My statement applies there too, but somewhere along the line CCP decided it didn't. At least they're doing something about it now?

I have no idea how alchemy works, and I am completely uninterested in sov warfare and moon mining, so I can't really comment in depth.

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Proletariat Tingtango

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#170 - 2012-09-01 18:38:04 UTC

Katran Luftschreck wrote:

Proletariat Tingtango wrote:

So explain to me why the kids who still haven't left Newbie Island should have their views represented at all in a game that largely takes place around them, and not with them.

1) Sandbox means that they get to play the game the way they want to, not the way you want them to.

2) Their $15 is worth just as much as yours. Unbelievable, I know.

3) Your qualifiers for what makes someone a "kid" are interesting.

Proletariat Tingtango
CURRENT CORPORATION
GoonWaffe [GEWNS] from 2012.01.24 16:24 to this day
Member for 7 months, 8 days

And pulling a random name out of a hat...

Douglas Brid
CURRENT CORPORATION
Brutor Tribe [B] from 2006.11.12 08:37 to this day
Member for 5 years, 9 months, 21 days

What does it say that someone playing for 6 years is still afraid to leave hi-sec when somne noob like me flourishes here? Oh, yeah, it says they aren't deserving of representation and their opinion on the game means exactly ****

DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#171 - 2012-09-01 18:38:54 UTC | Edited by: DarthNefarius

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

I have no idea how alchemy works, and I am completely uninterested in sov warfare and moon mining, so I can't really comment in depth.

I started researching into alchemy & had a plan to implement it but after looking at all the trainning I'd need to pull it off I figured that only a few months later ring mining would be implemented ( although that seems to get pushed back all the time... sounds like a major new mechanic & CCP is treading lightly eventhough the TECH issue is a BIG problem )

I hear rumors that the old drone region russians have staked claims on quite a few cobalt moons & wish them all the luck if true on geting it set up quickly

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#172 - 2012-09-01 18:40:47 UTC

DarthNefarius wrote:

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Sometimes to keep a gameplay style viable, balanced and fun, you have to nerf its profitability.

mittens was all for a tech nerf just fyi

CCP seemed to have other priorities in mind like "hmm what content should we add to placate everyone who is angry about our neglect"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#173 - 2012-09-01 18:41:31 UTC

Proletariat Tingtango wrote:

It says he doesnot have to go to NULL To enjoy the game FOR OVER 6 YEARS & is happy where he is! WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TO MOVE TO NULL IF HE DOESN'TWANT TO FORHIS OWN VARIOUS REASONS THIS IS A SADBOX ISN'T IT?!?!

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'

DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#174 - 2012-09-01 18:43:40 UTC | Edited by: DarthNefarius

Andski wrote:

mittens was all for a tech nerf just fyi

CCP seemed to have other priorities in mind like "hmm what content should we add to placate everyone who is angry about our neglect"

The Evil, forked tongue Mittens supervillian may say that but you & I secretly know he really wants to keep a tight hold on the TECH bottleneck & swim like Scrooge McDuck in his towers full of Tech riches Bear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPX5mRSQ3pw

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'


Andski Science and Trade Institute Caldari State Likes received: 11,585	#175 - 2012-09-01 18:47:51 UTC DarthNefarius wrote: THIS IS A SADBOX ISN'T IT?!?! hisec is, yes Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Garreth Vlox

Republic Military School

Minmatar Republic

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#176 - 2012-09-01 18:56:30 UTC

DarthNefarius wrote:

The meme that CCP has a perennial “drive people out of high-sec” dilema is just a pile of bull *****. Come on that is a myth thats repeated over & over again by NULL trolls in hopes CCP starts believeing in it.

The only more moronic/tedious myth is James 315's UNABOMBEReske manifestos on how mining is the scurge of all Eve.

Also it appears from the way this thread is moving the general lack of CSM represtation of pilots in HI SEC is lacking

You do realize that the people on the CSM are VOTED in right?

If you want a rep get off your asses and vote. You have no reason to be crying about not having a rep if that many of you live in high sec you should no problem what so ever voting in whoever you want.

The LULZ Boat.

DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#177 - 2012-09-01 19:09:38 UTC

Garreth Vlox wrote:

DarthNefarius wrote:

Also it appears from the way this thread is moving the general lack of CSM represtation of pilots in HI SEC is lacking

Yes but the popular vote we got don't work because its results are NOT representative. We need an electoral voting system in Eve

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'

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AdmiralJohn The Unknown Bar and Pub Likes received: 94	#178 - 2012-09-01 19:28:41 UTC We don't need an electoral system, we need smarter posters from high-sec. Let me tell you OP, that person isn't you.

Willie Horton

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#179 - 2012-09-01 19:30:24 UTC

DarthNefarius wrote:

Garreth Vlox wrote:

DarthNefarius wrote:

Also it appears from the way this thread is moving the general lack of CSM represtation of pilots in HI SEC is lacking

Yes but the popular vote we got don't work because its results are NOT representative. We need an electoral voting system in Eve

How come ?I think you need to understand that mayor difference from null and high sec is that people in null play as team.High sec are mostly people that play solo and they dont give f.... about voting.I can bet 90% dont know there is voting at all.

Nothing is wrong with that ,only thing that is wrong is age of pilots that can vote.I am totally ok that null sec people are in CSM ,cause they mostly are making content in this game.Not you not me they are.People are getting lured to EVE cause of stories how this game is harsh not cause people looking at roids or doing missions.I am still high sec player and I dont have any problem if they nerf it to ground.Well who cares game evolves that is it.

Anyway you cant blame null sec people cause they vote,it is not their fault that high sec people are with no organization or any that would look like team work.CCP guard high sec people cause of their lack of any kind of teaming up.Saying that you should not whine at all about any ,cause lets face it name me one high sec organization or alliance that represent people from empire.

Bat Country Pandemic Horde 19,001
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#180 - 2012-09-01 19:31:33 UTC 1 DarthNefarius wrote: Yes but the popular vote we got don't work because its results are NOT representative. We need an electoral voting system in Eve People who dont vote dont deserve any say.