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NULL whiners mantra is getting tedious... and CSM lacks HI SEC representation

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Frying Doom
#141 - 2012-09-01 13:56:49 UTC
Jack Tronic wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Jack Tronic wrote:
I too would like my CSM composed of the 300 ice mining bots in a ice belt I saw today in just ONE hisec system alone.

Did you at least report these suspected bots?


Would you tell me where the report everyone in local function is?

Here's a screenshot someone else took recently elsewhere:
http://i.imgur.com/nTnZX.jpg

WELCOME TO HISEC LAND OF THE CAREBEARS BOTS

I think you should forward this to CCP so they can see if it was a bot or someone using the keystroke/mouse click duplicating software

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2012-09-01 14:21:16 UTC
So explain to me why the kids who still haven't left Newbie Island should have their views represented at all in a game that largely takes place around them, and not with them.
Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#143 - 2012-09-01 14:50:57 UTC
I don't see the issue. If high security players can't be bothered to vote, or they vote for representatives from null sec, then it a non-issue. And you don't need to stay exclusively in high security to understand any issues that may come up concerning high security. A mayor doesn't need to have worked as a fireman or policemen to ensure that they receive the appropriate support and consideration. Good leaders are good listeners.

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#144 - 2012-09-01 15:01:34 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
So explain to me why the kids who still haven't left Newbie Island should have their views represented at all in a game that largely takes place around them, and not with them.


1) Sandbox means that they get to play the game the way they want to, not the way you want them to.

2) Their $15 is worth just as much as yours. Unbelievable, I know.

3) Your qualifiers for what makes someone a "kid" are interesting.

Proletariat Tingtango
CURRENT CORPORATION
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And pulling a random name out of a hat...

Douglas Brid
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Selaya Ataru
Phalanx Solutions
#145 - 2012-09-01 15:16:02 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
So explain to me why the kids who still haven't left Newbie Island should have their views represented at all in a game that largely takes place around them, and not with them.


1) Sandbox means that they get to play the game the way they want to, not the way you want them to.
2) Their $15 is worth just as much as yours. Unbelievable, I know.
3) Your qualifiers for what makes someone a "kid" are interesting.


1. Yes and it means that if they dont vote for a Highsec candidate they dont get one, fascinating isnt it?
2. Their cries are certainly louder though.
3. Kids ask to get X from CCP, adults work get get X on their own.
betoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2012-09-01 15:38:43 UTC  |  Edited by: betoli
Frying Doom wrote:
Belshazzar Babylon wrote:
Not sure how much more of an outreach you could have. I mean it has a big banner up at logon for a while before voting closed.

I remember a small pile of text in the Status box, that said "CSM voting now open, Don't forget to vote!", or something like that.

Biggest problem I discovered last year was the number of people who don't know what the CSM is or thought it was just for Null sec residences. So telling people Voting was open was kind of pointless, they didn't know what the voting was for.


Players need educating as this thread has shown, players don't know what the CSM does or even what number CSM we are up to.


I agree. Most of the chatter is on these boards - only a token effort to raise awareness in game, which is by definition where the palyers are.

CCP manage to email me once a month with subscriptions and a news letter. If CSM is important, then it could easily get a dedicated (plain text) mail shot, with instructions and a few hundred word resume for each candidate. They could even motivate people to vote with an in game reward (like one of those unique gift ships that pop out now and again, or a neural remap).

CSM should represent the player base, and if it doesn't CCP should take action to at least try to make it so - including trying to involve all the players who are usually slated on here. That under-represented base generates most of CCPs income - CCP should care.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#147 - 2012-09-01 15:47:20 UTC
betoli wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Belshazzar Babylon wrote:
Not sure how much more of an outreach you could have. I mean it has a big banner up at logon for a while before voting closed.

I remember a small pile of text in the Status box, that said "CSM voting now open, Don't forget to vote!", or something like that.

Biggest problem I discovered last year was the number of people who don't know what the CSM is or thought it was just for Null sec residences. So telling people Voting was open was kind of pointless, they didn't know what the voting was for.


Players need educating as this thread has shown, players don't know what the CSM does or even what number CSM we are up to.


I agree. Most of the chatter is on these boards - only a token effort to raise awareness in game, which is by definition where the palyers are.

CCP manage to email me once a month with subscriptions and a news letter. If CSM is important, then it could easily get a dedicated (plain text) mail shot, with instructions and a few hundred word resume for each candidate. They could even motivate people to vote with an in game reward (like one of those unique gift ships that pop out now and again, or a neural remap).

CSM should represent the player base, and if it doesn't CCP should take action to at least try to make it so - including trying to involve all the players who are usually slated on here. That under-represented base generates most of CCPs income - CCP should care.

I used a yahoo account to subscribe to the game and I never check it except for followups to bug reports.
I'm sure a lot of other players don't check the emails they signed up with either.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#148 - 2012-09-01 15:48:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
1) Sandbox means that they get to play the game the way they want to, not the way you want them to.
Not quite. Multiplayer sandbox means everyone can attempt to play the game they want to (within the confines of the box), which will include other people playing it ways that these new players will not like… If they're too young to have figured that one out, they won't be able to provide much in the way of constructive input.

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2) Their $15 is worth just as much as yours. Unbelievable, I know.
…and excluding them means there's less room to skew the vote towards those who simply use that $15 as a way of buying voting power.

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3) Your qualifiers for what makes someone a "kid" are interesting.
“Too new to understand or to have experienced the world around them.” Seems reasonable enough.
foxnod
Perkone
Caldari State
#149 - 2012-09-01 16:21:37 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:


2) Their $15 is worth just as much as yours. Unbelievable, I know.




Nullseccers tend to have more paying accounts than highseccers, which means our money is in fact worth more than theirs.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#150 - 2012-09-01 16:57:42 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
...who don't even care to vote think they should have representation in the CSM ...Well, i'll never understand it.

So you don't understand, who cares?

The fact is EVERYONE deserves representation, including the people who don't vote. The fact you don't "get it" doesn't mean it's not true...

The old "If you don't vote, you don't get to complain" line is such crap...

Doc, thy name is Entitlement.

In one highlighed post you just describe the problem with the entire Western World and humanity in general.

EVERYONE deserves everything, even if they can't be bothered to expend 1 calorie to twitch one of their 2 index fingers to vote for a csm candidate that represents their views! I mean, just because it's 1000 times easier than real world voting where you actually have to go somewhere other than home and wait in line while dealing with actual human beings, that doesn't mean you should actually have to do it (vote) to have your voice heard.

WTF was I thinking, thank you for showing my the light. Hell, I've been doing it all wrong, I'll just quit my job and sign up for welfare, then I can sit at home all day and divide my time between eating hotpockets while playing an MMO totally solo, and complaining on the forums about how the MMO I'm playing solo doesn't cater enough to solo players....

Now, who hid my Xanax?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#151 - 2012-09-01 17:02:17 UTC
Belshazzar Babylon wrote:
Not sure how much more of an outreach you could have. I mean it has a big banner up at logon for a while before voting closed.


A CCP representative should go to each high sec users home (ie mother's basement) and personally click the mouse to vote for them. CCP does every thing esle for high sec people, why not?

:)
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#152 - 2012-09-01 17:04:55 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
And a signfigant portion of high sec votes for those null sec csm members, because a signifigant portion of those high sec residents are merely working alts of null sec players to begin with.


Then why the focus of forcing hisec residents out to nullsec?


No one is forcing anything. CCP encourages people to experiance the real player driven game, where they can help keep the ecomomy healthy by losing and killing other ships among other things.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#153 - 2012-09-01 17:10:15 UTC
Too-Boku wrote:
For all the people who like to toss around the 80% high sec figure: that stat also slaps you in the face. You could load the CSM with your people every year.

Bears don't care. As long as that wallet keeps flashing, they are oblivious.


Not only that, but if they REALLY cared, Goons wouldn't have a single sov system because the high sec swarms of misison running ravens and super pimped incursion Nightmares would be raping them nightly.......
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2012-09-01 17:18:18 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Too-Boku wrote:
For all the people who like to toss around the 80% high sec figure: that stat also slaps you in the face. You could load the CSM with your people every year.

Bears don't care. As long as that wallet keeps flashing, they are oblivious.


Not only that, but if they REALLY cared, Goons wouldn't have a single sov system because the high sec swarms of misison running ravens and super pimped incursion Nightmares would be raping them nightly.......

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but if not then that's just sad.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#155 - 2012-09-01 17:25:29 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Too-Boku wrote:
For all the people who like to toss around the 80% high sec figure: that stat also slaps you in the face. You could load the CSM with your people every year.

Bears don't care. As long as that wallet keeps flashing, they are oblivious.


Not only that, but if they REALLY cared, Goons wouldn't have a single sov system because the high sec swarms of misison running ravens and super pimped incursion Nightmares would be raping them nightly.......

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but if not then that's just sad.


English new to you?

The point is all those high sec people spouting how the game is mostly high sec players (It isn't, but that's what they suggest) should be spending the time they lose complaining to grouping together and killing the Goons and co, who are a MINORITY compared to them.

The fact is, the devlopers made the game to center on player generated content, which mostly means null sec, an the people who don't like null sec are just blowing wind on the forums because they know they can't really change that.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#156 - 2012-09-01 17:29:17 UTC
So why is this horrible thread still going?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#157 - 2012-09-01 17:33:33 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
So why is this horrible thread still going?

ISD TYPE40 locked the wrong thread. Sad

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#158 - 2012-09-01 17:56:40 UTC
Sim Cognito wrote:
So what? I say.


If the highsec crowd doesn't have people that are THIS into the game, and THAT committed, isn't it only natural that they have no representation in the CSM? And even if they did, what would they push for exactly? Making sure they aren't nerfed? Hardly sounds like a worthwhile contribution to me.


Besides, according to the latest Mittani propaganda, CCP is filing exactly this role, being the advocate of high sec.



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-Don't tell me HI SEC pilots are uncommitted to Eve they are dispossed of the political system because of how the game is set up
-HI SEC needs reps for potential stuff that is NDA'd and set in the future not just to protect themselves from stupid nerfs.
All I see now from CSM7 is a place to propose nerfs to HI SEC after they cheered on the effed up nerf which killed on the Incursion communities in lo, null & HI. Since FW has a member I don't hear about FW needing nerfs even though 8 day old ALTs are making 3 times what incursion runners were making at the peak. CSM should be about damage control not about whinning about NULL being so spacerich.
While they may have lived in HI SEC when they first started Eve they are too far out of touch with most of the player base (50%+) eeking out an existance in HI SEC IMHO

-For 1 if you beleive any GOON propaganda you are stupider then you look & do you wanta place in my corp? its open for a 500 million ISK deposit Blink
-Right CCP has to be the advocate for HI SEC because they have 0 CSM representation to do anything else is to start losing subs.

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#159 - 2012-09-01 17:59:19 UTC
Sim Cognito wrote:

So there you have it. High Sec's representation in the CSM is CCP itself.

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Then HI SEC has a crappy rep because CCP barely plays in HI SEC from what I've seen from the UI improvements or from the Incursion nerf
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#160 - 2012-09-01 17:59:52 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
-Right CCP has to be the advocate for HI SEC because they have 0 CSM representation to do anything else is to start losing subs.



Two Step, Trebor, Kelduum, Hans, Issler and Alek are all members of well-known nullsec alliances, right?

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