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NULL whiners mantra is getting tedious... and CSM lacks HI SEC representation

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Too-Boku
Doomheim
#121 - 2012-09-01 06:32:24 UTC
For all the people who like to toss around the 80% high sec figure: that stat also slaps you in the face. You could load the CSM with your people every year.

Bears don't care. As long as that wallet keeps flashing, they are oblivious.
Frying Doom
#122 - 2012-09-01 07:00:26 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Korgan Nailo wrote:
So, yeah, honestly, the whole CSM "idea" right now is a joke. Sad


If only there was a powerful political leader who forced change like never before..

Yeah, assuming it isn't the Mittani of course.

Well it is kind of obvious that its not who No more Heroes is talking about, what was stated was " a powerful political leader who forced change like never before" and he has already been there and lost that.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#123 - 2012-09-01 07:04:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote?


I guess if people don't care enough to vote then we don't need CSMs anymore, either.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#124 - 2012-09-01 07:16:04 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Don't take this the wrong way, but there's only one thing I see that would increase highsec's representation in CSM:

For highsec to produce more candidates worth voting for. Idea


Great idea, a hisec candidate that can unite alliances and corps to form a political power bloc would be fantastic.

Unfortunately null is controlled politically by huge alliances that can pull votes out of their arses and rally behind their candidates. In hisec there is no real political power or control, the only CSM member that even comes close to representing hisec is Kelduum Revaan from Eve Uni. There are no common goals in hisec, every corp and alliance is out for themselves politically and there are no power blocs like there are in null.

I'm hisec pubbie scum P and I'll admit to voting for mittens @ the last CSM election, why you may ask? because he ran a good campaign and didn't appear to have his head stuck up his own backside, the drunken debacle at the alliance panel was unfortunate. No matter what people think of the various CSM candidates they have one goal in common, they want Eve to survive as both a game and an example of what a game can become when the makers impose few limitations on what is possible.

TL;DR

We need a hisec candidate that hisec residents can rally behind, one with a manifesto that will appeal to miners, industrialists, mission runners, ninjas and traders alike.



I have to agree with you for the most part except: "rally behind, one with a manifesto that will appeal to miners, industrialists, mission runners, ninjas and traders alike." I think HI sechas the votes for a ganker underhanded candidate like Darius III & James315 and a mission runner/miner/industrialist if we stopped lookin all DOE eyed at how NULL has pulled themselves together into asingle NULL CSM block
We need more grassroots gankers & carebears tostop up b4 we get stepped on & 'fooled again' next CSM election
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#125 - 2012-09-01 07:22:55 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Karl Hobb wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You're right about the first part we are potentially the biggest bloc in the game

I doubt it. As Tippia is so quick to point out, a large share of high-sec characters are likely alts of people who might not vote high-sec. .


Tippia pulled that ASSumption right out of her ARSE & has no basis for itAttention
What is this 'large' share anyways 5% of 65%?

Too-Boku wrote:
For all the people who like to toss around the 80% high sec figure: that stat also slaps you in the face. You could load the CSM with your people every year.

Bears don't care. As long as that wallet keeps flashing, they are oblivious.

Who tosses 80%?my sig from CSM6 ( a year+ ago) sayz 67%
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#126 - 2012-09-01 07:48:01 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
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An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#127 - 2012-09-01 07:51:12 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I do agree with his signature though...

EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...


Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote?



Over 10,000 alts can't be wrong?


Actually since Mittens was thrown under the bus 10,000+ is wrong in Eve Shocked
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Frying Doom
#128 - 2012-09-01 07:51:41 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:


Too-Boku wrote:
For all the people who like to toss around the 80% high sec figure: that stat also slaps you in the face. You could load the CSM with your people every year.

Bears don't care. As long as that wallet keeps flashing, they are oblivious.

Who tosses 80%?my sig from CSM6 ( a year+ ago) sayz 67%

The statistics are still correct as of the last snap shot I saw which was dated 18th January 2012 with Hi-sec at 66.78%, Lo-sec 7.64%, wormhole space at 5.51% and Null at 20.07%

And as this was a snapshot it does not matter where peoples alts are residing it is based on who was on a specific character at a specific time.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Sim Cognito
Obani Gemini Corporation
#129 - 2012-09-01 09:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Sim Cognito
So what? I say.


If the highsec crowd doesn't have people that are THIS into the game, and THAT committed, isn't it only natural that they have no representation in the CSM? And even if they did, what would they push for exactly? Making sure they aren't nerfed? Hardly sounds like a worthwhile contribution to me.


Besides, according to the latest Mittani propaganda, CCP is filing exactly this role, being the advocate of high sec.



So there you have it. High Sec's representation in the CSM is CCP itself.



EDIT: The quadra subsequent posts by the OP in an attempt to bump the thread as much as possible are amusing.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2012-09-01 10:51:29 UTC
Sim Cognito wrote:
Besides, according to the latest Mittani propaganda, CCP is filing exactly this role, being the advocate of high sec.

Accordingly to him, CCP have their plans on hi-sec, but those are based on something other than ideas of people who spend a lot of time in hi-sec. It's not the same as having representatives of actual "hiseccers".

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Frying Doom
#131 - 2012-09-01 11:00:55 UTC
Sim Cognito wrote:
So what? I say.


If the highsec crowd doesn't have people that are THIS into the game, and THAT committed, isn't it only natural that they have no representation in the CSM? And even if they did, what would they push for exactly? Making sure they aren't nerfed? Hardly sounds like a worthwhile contribution to me.


Besides, according to the latest Mittani propaganda, CCP is filing exactly this role, being the advocate of high sec.



So there you have it. High Sec's representation in the CSM is CCP itself.



EDIT: The quadra subsequent posts by the OP in an attempt to bump the thread as much as possible are amusing.

I love how the word propaganda is used in one sentence and in the next it is represented like a fact..Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#132 - 2012-09-01 11:10:22 UTC
Who cares for the CSM? An installed troll of CCP to get "closer" to the player base. Let them talk, that's what they are capable of.

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#133 - 2012-09-01 12:01:16 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Tippia pulled that ASSumption right out of her ARSE & has no basis for itAttention
I have more basis for it than you have for your sig…

Quote:
What is this 'large' share anyways 5% of 65%?
70%, which isn't an improbable guess for how many people play outside of highsec…

Quote:
Who tosses 80%?
Plenty of people do when they try to “prove” that highsec is underrepresented or that too little attention in general is given to highsec.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#134 - 2012-09-01 12:04:55 UTC
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I do agree with his signature though...

EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...


Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote?



Since votes get flushed through the toilet by those same null-sec bears



I'd say since form those 67% high sec residents probably more than half of them are actually null sec player alts Lol

The problem is not high sec or will ever be, the problem of high sec is how safe it is to go and stay there bully other players without much or serious consequences for their choices. High sec looks more like those story war games with pre identified victims and you're the hero taking them out but then, they respawn ...

brb
Frying Doom
#135 - 2012-09-01 12:07:50 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:


I'd say since form those 67% high sec residents probably more than half of them are actually null sec player alts Lol

If that where the case then maybe they should not be playing on them when unannounced snapshots occur.Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#136 - 2012-09-01 12:43:05 UTC
I too would like my CSM composed of the 300 ice mining bots in a ice belt I saw today in just ONE hisec system alone.
Frying Doom
#137 - 2012-09-01 12:54:27 UTC
Jack Tronic wrote:
I too would like my CSM composed of the 300 ice mining bots in a ice belt I saw today in just ONE hisec system alone.

Did you at least report these suspected bots?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Selaya Ataru
Phalanx Solutions
#138 - 2012-09-01 13:08:54 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Jack Tronic wrote:
I too would like my CSM composed of the 300 ice mining bots in a ice belt I saw today in just ONE hisec system alone.

Did you at least report these suspected bots?


God I hope not, the fuel must flow~
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#139 - 2012-09-01 13:16:08 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Jack Tronic wrote:
I too would like my CSM composed of the 300 ice mining bots in a ice belt I saw today in just ONE hisec system alone.

Did you at least report these suspected bots?


Would you tell me where the report everyone in local function is?

Here's a screenshot someone else took recently elsewhere:
http://i.imgur.com/nTnZX.jpg

WELCOME TO HISEC LAND OF THE CAREBEARS BOTS
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone
Caldari State
#140 - 2012-09-01 13:49:18 UTC
The CSM is supposed to represent player interests.

The day someone in the CSM was scamming plex for votes;
was the day i knew representing the players was just an excuse to get a free trip and get shitfaced.

CCP is watching out for us care bears plenty.
The CSM? I give no fucks.