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NULL whiners mantra is getting tedious... and CSM lacks HI SEC representation

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#921 - 2012-09-05 14:00:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
DarthNefarius wrote:
Well then the past 3 CSM's look to me to be one disaster after another.
Not really. CSM6 was surprisingly disaster-free as was CSM4… largely because nothing really happened. CSMs 1 and 2 were quite inconsequential as well, but full of Ankh madness.

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How canyou say the Mittens scandle wasn't part of CSM6 it actually engulfed both CSM 6&7...
Because he was ousted from his newly-gained position as CSM7 chairman and because CSM6 had concluded all its business by then.

Not that it matters for the question at hand: representation, and how highsec reps in particular have a long history of making a hash of things due to their lack of a broader perspective all while there doesn't seem to really be any highsec-specific issues that need special representation. Yes, the CSM has been surrounded by drama every now and then (perhaps unsurprisingly since drama is what caused it to be created to begin with), but what matters is the issues they have brought to CCP's attention and again… highsec doesn't seem to have missed out.

“Highsec” has had no problems getting people elected if they choose to (they just have a history of picking horrid reps) and they are represented right now. So what's the problem?
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#922 - 2012-09-05 14:07:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Well then the past 3 CSM's look to me to be one disaster after another.
Not really. CSM6 was surprisingly disaster-free.


What are you smoking CSM6 had the Incarna riots & the post fanfest resignation of its CSM Chair.
CCP then proceded to boot him from CSM7.
If that is disaster free the December 2005 tsunami was a kiddie pool splash wave
Got any more lipstick to put on those pigs Tippia?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#923 - 2012-09-05 14:09:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
there doesn't seem to really be any highsec-specific issues


I disagree!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#924 - 2012-09-05 14:10:10 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Well then the past 3 CSM's look to me to be one disaster after another.
Not really. CSM6 was surprisingly disaster-free.


What are you smoking CSM6 had the Incarna riots & the post fanfest resignation of its CSM Chair.
CCP then proceded to boot him from CSM7.
If that is disaster free the December 2005 tsunami was a kiddie pool splash wave
Got any more lipstick to put on those pigs Tippia?


What had the Incarna riots to do with CSM6?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Frying Doom
#925 - 2012-09-05 14:10:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Quote:
How canyou say the Mittens scandle wasn't part of CSM6 it actually engulfed both CSM 6&7...
Because he was ousted from his newly-gained position as CSM7 chairman and because CSM6 had concluded all its business by then.

Strange that he resigned from CSM 6 then.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Frying Doom
#926 - 2012-09-05 14:11:08 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Well then the past 3 CSM's look to me to be one disaster after another.
Not really. CSM6 was surprisingly disaster-free.


What are you smoking CSM6 had the Incarna riots & the post fanfest resignation of its CSM Chair.
CCP then proceded to boot him from CSM7.
If that is disaster free the December 2005 tsunami was a kiddie pool splash wave
Got any more lipstick to put on those pigs Tippia?


What had the Incarna riots to do with CSM6?

Well the PR clean-up included CSM 6.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#927 - 2012-09-05 14:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Malcanis wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Well then the past 3 CSM's look to me to be one disaster after another.
Not really. CSM6 was surprisingly disaster-free.


What are you smoking CSM6 had the Incarna riots & the post fanfest resignation of its CSM Chair.
CCP then proceded to boot him from CSM7.
If that is disaster free the December 2005 tsunami was a kiddie pool splash wave
Got any more lipstick to put on those pigs Tippia?


What had the Incarna riots to do with CSM6?


They were right smack in the middle of themGuilt by Association & proximaty LolBig smile
I of courseblame the CSM's for all of CCP's bad PR that is what they are there for isn't it? CSM was created due to the T20 scandle wan't it?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#928 - 2012-09-05 14:18:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
DarthNefarius wrote:
What are you smoking CSM6 had the Incarna riots & the post fanfest resignation of its CSM Chair.
…and again, the riots were caused by CSM5's inability to get the message across to CCP. CSM6 concluded its business by appearing at fanfest and CSM7 was formed… and then Mittanigate happened.

In fact, if you remember, the timing of that whole event rather made it seem like as more of a political move to nullify some 10k votes because those outraged by what he actually said got mad when he said it, whereas the vast majority got mad when he voting results were announced. Either way, as with Ankh, it as not really a result of the CSM but of the person. If you're going for the “disband CSM” angle, you rather need to separate the two.

As for lipstick… here's the thing that separates Ankh and Mittens: Ankh did not actually represent highsec. She was trying to make it (and the game as a whole) much much worse out of some horribly skewed and narrow-minded view of the game; Mittens argued for issues that went against his personal interests but were good for the game. As such, Mittens was a better highsec rep than Ankh ever managed to be, and that's what actually matters.

Oh, and…
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If that is disaster free the December 2005 tsunami was a kiddie pool splash wave
The 2005 tsunami was indeed a kiddie pool splash wave. The 2004 one was pretty bad, though and unlike the 2005 one, gained a bit of attention across the world…

Malcanis wrote:
Malcanis for CSM8 highsec rep. Funny how that only reinforces the point, but I suppose that kind of was the point… Blink
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#929 - 2012-09-05 14:20:09 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Well then the past 3 CSM's look to me to be one disaster after another.
Not really. CSM6 was surprisingly disaster-free.


What are you smoking CSM6 had the Incarna riots & the post fanfest resignation of its CSM Chair.
CCP then proceded to boot him from CSM7.
If that is disaster free the December 2005 tsunami was a kiddie pool splash wave
Got any more lipstick to put on those pigs Tippia?


What had the Incarna riots to do with CSM6?


They were right smack in the middle of them Guilt by Association & proximaty LolBig smile
I of courseblame the CSM's for all of CCP's bad PR that is what they are there for isn't it? CSM was created due to the T20 scandle wan't it?


All hi-seccers are icebots. Delete hi-sec!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#930 - 2012-09-05 14:21:51 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Well then the past 3 CSM's look to me to be one disaster after another.
Not really. CSM6 was surprisingly disaster-free.


What are you smoking CSM6 had the Incarna riots & the post fanfest resignation of its CSM Chair.
CCP then proceded to boot him from CSM7.
If that is disaster free the December 2005 tsunami was a kiddie pool splash wave
Got any more lipstick to put on those pigs Tippia?


What had the Incarna riots to do with CSM6?

Well the PR clean-up included CSM 6.



The difference between a fireman and an arsonist may seem small...

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#931 - 2012-09-05 14:25:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
What are you smoking CSM6 had the Incarna riots & the post fanfest resignation of its CSM Chair.
…and again, the riots were caused by CSM5's inability to get the message across to CCP. CSM6 concluded its business by appearing at fanfest and CSM7 was formed… and then Mittanigate happened.



So you are trying to sweep all the disasters away from CSM6 & 7's rugs by putting them under CSM5? WOW that is alot of wool you got Tippia but still I see what you are trying to do there Roll
I doubt Spaceship Barbie's scam victims would acceptthat pile of an explaination... reminds me of the republicans trying to blame all 13 trillion of theUSA's national debt on Bill Clinton and Obama RollBlink
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#932 - 2012-09-05 14:34:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
DarthNefarius wrote:
So you are trying to sweep all the disasters away from CSM6 & 7's rugs by putting them under CSM5?
No. I'm doing two things… i suppose the complexity of it might be tripping you up.

For one, I am separating cause and consequence. The Jita riots were a result of the inaction of CSM4 and 5 — again, the 5s kind of tried, but they lacked agency — and CSM6 came along to clean it up, which they did rather well. We'll see what happens with Dust — it can turn out to be the thing that sinks CSM6 and 7 once the dust clears (hah!)…

For another, I'm separating person and group. I could flatly dismiss CSMs 1, 2 and 5 as absolute disasters due to Ankh's presence and eventual blow-up, but I prefer not to. Instead, I look at the output of those earlier councils (none or poor), which can then be compared with the output of CSM6 and (in half a year or so) CSM7, and I separate this from the warped and unrepresentative world-view presented by the “highsec candidate”, which in turn can be compared to the representativeness of other candidates.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#933 - 2012-09-05 14:40:41 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
So you are trying to sweep all the disasters away from CSM6 & 7's rugs by putting them under CSM5?
No. I'm doing two things… i suppose the complexity of it might be tripping you up.

For one, I am separating cause and consequence. The Jita riots were a result of the inaction of CSM4 and 5 .




WOW talking about a long broom... so how do you sweep this summer's awesaum UI under CSM 5's rug too?
Let's call this the Tippia Two Step... all disasters on a CSM's watch can be blamed on the 2 previous CSMs
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Frying Doom
#934 - 2012-09-05 14:41:24 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
So you are trying to sweep all the disasters away from CSM6 & 7's rugs by putting them under CSM5?
No. I'm doing two things… i suppose the complexity of it might be tripping you up.

For one, I am separating cause and consequence. The Jita riots were a result of the inaction of CSM4 and 5 .




WOW talking about a long broom... so how do you sweep this summer's awesaum UI under CSM 5's rug too?


You missed the super war dec mechanic.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#935 - 2012-09-05 14:45:00 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Frying Doom wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
So you are trying to sweep all the disasters away from CSM6 & 7's rugs by putting them under CSM5?
No. I'm doing two things… i suppose the complexity of it might be tripping you up.

For one, I am separating cause and consequence. The Jita riots were a result of the inaction of CSM4 and 5 .




WOW talking about a long broom... so how do you sweep this summer's awesaum UI under CSM 5's rug too?


You missed the super war dec mechanic.



But this HI SEC wardeck mechanic was overseen/done on the watch of by NULL SEC CSM6's unless you apply the Tippia Two Step to it too(TM)
Lol so it was all CSM 4&5's fault Roll

So remember kiddies from 2 years in the future doing a forum search: if there are any CSM disasters you can blame them on CSM7 or 6 Shocked
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#936 - 2012-09-05 14:49:02 UTC
People in hi-sec deserves good content, but all they ever whine about is pirates and losing 10b isk space pinatas while being afk on a gate...
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#937 - 2012-09-05 14:53:20 UTC
Pinky Denmark wrote:
People in hi-sec deserves good content, but all they ever whine about is pirates and losing 10b isk space pinatas while being afk on a gate...


I doubt we'll ever get good PvE content until after a NULL buff or 2 then maybe some balance in the CSMs will talk CCP into it.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#938 - 2012-09-05 14:58:49 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Pinky Denmark wrote:
People in hi-sec deserves good content, but all they ever whine about is pirates and losing 10b isk space pinatas while being afk on a gate...


I doubt we'll ever get good PvE content until after a NULL buff or 2 then maybe some balance in the CSMs will talk CCP into it.

Null needs to be buffed and fixed far more urgently than you "need" your new content.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#939 - 2012-09-05 15:26:08 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
WOW talking about a long broom...
CSM6 was instated in March, when Incarna was already on Sisi. :18 months: started just before CSM5 got into office. So no, it's not all that long…

DarthNefarius wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
You missed the super war dec mechanic.
But this HI SEC wardeck mechanic was overseen/done on the watch of by NULL SEC CSM6's
…and the wardec revamp was a much needed upgrade to highsec with one main flaw: the free infiniwar, which got fixed very quickly thanks to CSM7. It was pretty good work overall, much like your strawman.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#940 - 2012-09-05 16:00:43 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
WOW talking about a long broom...
CSM6 was instated in March, when Incarna was already on Sisi. :18 months: started just before CSM5 got into office. So no, it's not all that long…

DarthNefarius wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
You missed the super war dec mechanic.
But this HI SEC wardeck mechanic was overseen/done on the watch of by NULL SEC CSM6's
…and the wardec revamp was a much needed upgrade to highsec with one main flaw: the free infiniwar, which got fixed very quickly thanks to CSM7. It was pretty good work overall, much like your strawman.


Your stawmen like the scarecrow in the Wizard of OZ just has no brains
Keep sweepinging those elephants under the rug & no one will notice the large lump Tippia: the appearance of extreme imbalances of any region/player grounp in the CSM, moon goo bottleneck concentrated in one region, or the current HI SECNULL SEC mineral imbalance, again just the appearances are going to cuase more trouble further down the line adding to the fundamental issues further. It has to do with fairness and eventhough like CCP Soundwave said Eve shouldn't be fair damn the these are 900 pound gorrilas.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'