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Why no support for solo PvE players?

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James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#181 - 2012-08-16 21:28:59 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
I think the first sign what CCP thought of this idea is when they actually moved a thread TO General Discussion.

I did not know such a thing was possible... Shocked

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Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2012-08-16 22:04:14 UTC
Boooo OP. I'm a mostly solo PVE'er (just because I don't need to worry about anybody but myself in my limited play time sessions). I do not want Eve to be any more PVE oriented. Plenty of mission/COSMOS/exploration content out there if you want to solo PVE, but that isn't what Eve is primarily about. Anybody who wants this game to be more "theme park" or WOW-solo style needs to DIAF.
Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
#183 - 2012-08-16 22:44:06 UTC
Look at the passion and, quite often, the length and thoroughness of some of the explanations in this thread.

Those guys have earned the right to blow my #$%? up, not some NPC dumbwits.

And yes, PvE means Player versus Environment. EVE has that, plenty.

It's PvE in a kindergarten room that it doesn't have.

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Cozmose
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#184 - 2012-08-16 22:53:11 UTC
The thing I find most upsetting ws posted early on in this thread, the assumption that people enjoy inflicting suffering and watching the suffering of their victims.

What about people, surely the vast majority of people, who don't? would you reccomend EVE to them?
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#185 - 2012-08-16 23:45:34 UTC
Cozmose wrote:
The thing I find most upsetting ws posted early on in this thread, the assumption that people enjoy inflicting suffering and watching the suffering of their victims.

What about people, surely the vast majority of people, who don't? would you reccomend EVE to them?


There are plenty of people like me who enjoy surviving despite the odds against us. EVE is not a binary situation.

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Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#186 - 2012-08-16 23:46:11 UTC
EVE never used to be about wow style gaming. Sadly that is changing an changing fast. EVE's attractiveness was the fact it was all for all intents lawless. I can remember my first day in eve many many many years I can flipped a guy an legged it. I was os proud of myself :)...
Now EVE is going mainstream sadly an we will see more an more of "CCP" playing the game for you. making it nice an cuddly for everyone...EG PVE/wow players.People dont wanna be responsible for themselves today they want the devs to do it for them. This idiocy about pve players in EVE is just another example of whats happening to the game.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#187 - 2012-08-16 23:56:59 UTC
it's an MMO.
look up what the second M stands for.


If you want a PVE MMO, bo play WoW.

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Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#188 - 2012-08-17 00:19:08 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
it's an MMO.
look up what the second M stands for.


If you want a PVE MMO, bo play WoW.

couldn't have put it better
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#189 - 2012-08-17 00:23:41 UTC
Hiyora Akachi wrote:
Jax Bederen wrote:

In other words, throw the newbie to the vultures.



GD isn't populated by vultures.

We're obviously wolves.


I was thinking that a few are wolves. There are even a few lions. But for the most part, the majority are hyenas.

As for solo PvE support, they nerfed Incursions, isn't that enough?

John Hancock
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#190 - 2012-08-17 00:31:27 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players.


EVE's niche is being a very competitive PvP game. Yes, there is PvE content, however, it's geared up almost solely to grind-for-ISK... to buy ships to blow up. Almost every area of the game is "PvP" / competitive, even market trading or mining.

There is no "every player that joins gets to follow the same stupid storyline". If you want to play through a storyline that someone else thought up then go read a book, watch a more or play a game designed to be good at that. EVE is not that. It's not supposed to be that.

A lot of people like about EVE is the player-driven experience. It's the stories that the players make that are interesting. Like Mitten's crazy antics with the Goons or the null-sec sagas, or the video's that have come out of Rooks & King's operations.

If you really want an interesting and challenging solo PVE experience try exploration on your own in low sec or w-space using a single-fit ship. That's a challenge and probably the best PVE solo experience I've had in EVE.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#191 - 2012-08-17 05:36:39 UTC
ISD Etetia wrote:
Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion



so... you want this kind of post to get attention... ?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

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Seaxe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#192 - 2012-08-17 08:11:39 UTC
Just imagine that the environment is made up of players. BAM! PVE.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#193 - 2012-08-17 12:08:32 UTC
Cozmose wrote:
The thing I find most upsetting ws posted early on in this thread, the assumption that people enjoy inflicting suffering and watching the suffering of their victims.

What about people, surely the vast majority of people, who don't? would you reccomend EVE to them?


I'd recommend EVE to them, because PVP is certainly not about causing suffering. It's about working as a team to overcome your opponents, who enjoy the good fight just as much as you.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#194 - 2012-08-17 12:55:06 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players. Even when joining a corp for support, there has to be PvP elements to prevent PvE activities from being disrupted by PvP players. I am not talking about PvE missions or DED space. I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing?? Can a player expand as a courier or a miner without PvP support? So far, I cannot find a way to do it.

Everyone with whom I have had contact seems to feel this game is both PvE and PvP, yet they always stipulate you must protect yourself, you must not risk more than you are willing to lose, you should join a corp for protection, etc. Where in there lies a PvE game?

The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?



Nope, you have correctly identified that EVE is built and designed on a non-instanced, player-driven competitive interaction model. If you want to unlock EVE's solo PvE mode then I suggest you look here: http://www.amazon.com/X3-The-Reunion-2-0-Pc/dp/B000KDEFO4/ref=pd_bxgy_vg_text_c

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Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#195 - 2012-08-17 13:03:52 UTC
Cozmose wrote:
The thing I find most upsetting ws posted early on in this thread, the assumption that people enjoy inflicting suffering and watching the suffering of their victims.

What about people, surely the vast majority of people, who don't? would you reccomend EVE to them?


If for competitive pvp, not a chance, there are much better games for that, this games pvp is mostly for those who cant hack it in a real competitive environment. For the atmosphere and complexity a big yes.
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2012-08-17 13:07:51 UTC
Solo play has been against CCP game direction for years, I remember when they first posted that they wanted to force ppl into co-operative play, a sad day.

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#197 - 2012-08-17 13:16:00 UTC
Rats wrote:
Solo play has been against CCP game direction for years, I remember when they first posted that they wanted to force ppl into co-operative play, a sad day.

Tal



Yet you can still solo, the biggest corps in the game are the NPC corps, which are full of solo players, and admittedly a metric shedload of alts

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#198 - 2012-08-17 13:25:16 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Rats wrote:
Solo play has been against CCP game direction for years, I remember when they first posted that they wanted to force ppl into co-operative play, a sad day.

Tal



Yet you can still solo, the biggest corps in the game are the NPC corps, which are full of solo players, and admittedly a metric shedload of alts



I'm not saying you can't. I have been asking for more for the solo/casual player in the form of content for years, missions for example they have been the same for ever (apart from the keep nerfing the loot and reward), with no luck ...

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
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Litla Sundlaugin
#199 - 2012-08-17 13:46:34 UTC
from a carebear I can tell you, there's plenty of PVE and if you are fimilar with the game mechanics then you can avoid most PVP but there is no such animal as pure PVE not even in trading. welcome to the EVE uni enjoy Big smile
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#200 - 2012-08-17 13:49:19 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?


EVE, being a sandbox game, is in its very nature a social game. It is not so much that solo play is handicapped, but that you handicap yourself by not being social.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!