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Why no support for solo PvE players?

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Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#1 - 2012-08-14 19:02:01 UTC
Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players. Even when joining a corp for support, there has to be PvP elements to prevent PvE activities from being disrupted by PvP players. I am not talking about PvE missions or DED space. I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing?? Can a player expand as a courier or a miner without PvP support? So far, I cannot find a way to do it.

Everyone with whom I have had contact seems to feel this game is both PvE and PvP, yet they always stipulate you must protect yourself, you must not risk more than you are willing to lose, you should join a corp for protection, etc. Where in there lies a PvE game?

The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?
JonnyRandom
#2 - 2012-08-14 19:04:38 UTC
Why does minesweeper have no PvP? It appears to be no place for PvP gamers. Even when asking around everyone seems to feel like it is only a pve game. It seems handicapped for people wanting to play pvp.
J'Poll
MUSE LLP
RAZOR Alliance
#3 - 2012-08-14 19:10:30 UTC
If you want a game where you can do carebearing PvE stuff without risk, EVE is not the game you're looking for.

Anything in EVE comes with a risk. Live, learn and adapt and you might like it.

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ISD Etetia
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-08-14 19:23:44 UTC
Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-08-14 19:25:36 UTC
thanks isd etetia, now this thread can get the attention it truly deserves
MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#6 - 2012-08-14 19:26:51 UTC
I am not sure that putting this post in here was wise inb4 all the trolls
Whadafool
Absolute Order V
I Will End Your Hole....
#7 - 2012-08-14 19:27:37 UTC
well eve is a pvp game, always has and always will be!

and soloing pve isnt hard at all, esp with an alt.

just got to ask your self though, why do you want to pve? for me its to make isk to enable pvp

stuff

Idris Helion
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-08-14 19:29:59 UTC
There are places in EVE where you can go literally days without seeing another player in-game. You can do whatever you want: run missions, mine, explore, whatever. All you have to do is bring up the galactic map, find out where the majority of fighting is going on, and head in the opposite direction.

Even can be as PVE or PVP as you want it to be. Yes, there is a risk that some ganker or can-flipper or loot ninja will come along and bother you, but it's easy to avoid for the most part.
Jim Era
#9 - 2012-08-14 19:31:24 UTC
Pip, its because of the design of EVE. its designed to be a 'real' universe...where anything can happen.
Yes some may cause you dismay at not being able to do whatever you may be doing, but that is 'life' and that is how EVE is intended to be.
You can always pay,hire,recruit etc someone to get rid of the players that are hindering you.

Wat™

Remnant Madeveda
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-08-14 19:38:45 UTC
1/10 troll not even funny really.

Everyone that plays eve, new people, old bitter vets, and hell even the botting miners understand eve is pvp. The market is completely player run therby pvp. The missions and such are pve until another player wants to scan you down then it's pvp. All in all eve is Everyone vs Everyone.
Joe Hinken
Cetan Consortium
#11 - 2012-08-14 19:41:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Hinken
ISD Etetia wrote:
Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion


Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
thanks isd etetia, now this thread can get the attention it truly deserves


Remnant Madeveda wrote:
1/10 troll not even funny really.

Everyone that plays eve, new people, old bitter vets, and hell even the botting miners understand eve is pvp. The market is completely player run therby pvp. The missions and such are pve until another player wants to scan you down then it's pvp. All in all eve is Everyone vs Everyone.


Not empty quoting.

EDIT: If you want pure PvE only, Pip, recommend you try the test server, SiSi.

Brick Royl > bad timing the isk is deflating fatser then a baloon in a cactus shop

Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-08-14 19:41:38 UTC
I was there.
Jim Era
#13 - 2012-08-14 19:43:11 UTC
I am here

Wat™

Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#14 - 2012-08-14 19:43:16 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
thanks isd etetia, now this thread can get the attention it truly deserves


You mean none?

I have been reviewing replies to another post I had along the same line.

Some are helpful and some are scathing.

I would have to say I now understand EVE is not in anyway a PvE game. It is entirely PvP. It may have PvE elements, and this may be why so many seem to confuse the two, but from the replies and posts I have seen, EVE is PvP.

I am sorry if I have wasted anyone's time with this question. If anyone develops a game similar to EVE that supports PvE players, please let me know. For now, I guess I will have to suffer less evolved games.


Jim Era wrote:
Pip, its because of the design of EVE. its designed to be a 'real' universe...where anything can happen.
Yes some may cause you dismay at not being able to do whatever you may be doing, but that is 'life' and that is how EVE is intended to be.
You can always pay,hire,recruit etc someone to get rid of the players that are hindering you.


The game includes elements which would seem to control or limit abuse, but they are not enforced. I was laughed at when I placed a bounty on a PvP player who had just blown away my ship. I and a friend were later both blown away by another player with a higher security rating than many other players I have met, and so I could not even place a bounty on him. There are no controls.

As you say, it is a 'real' universe, and so the lowest common denominator always shows up to take it out on everyone else, but without a true layer of consequence or consistency, it simply becomes anarchy.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#15 - 2012-08-14 19:43:56 UTC
This simply is not a solo PvE game.

Play any number of single player games if you don't want PvP.
Whadafool
Absolute Order V
I Will End Your Hole....
#16 - 2012-08-14 19:46:07 UTC
Pip Mayo wrote:
. For now, I guess I will have to suffer less evolved games.



i think that's an insult good sir :P

stuff

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#17 - 2012-08-14 19:46:19 UTC
ISD Etetia wrote:
Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion


Wait what?!

A newbie asks a question after discovering that which goes straight to the core of what EVE is, and it gets moved out of the newbie forum where it can be noticed by other newbies?

It's a coverup!

They're trying to attract fresh fish to feed the sharks by hiding what EVE is all about!

Wait, I like fish... Nevermind

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Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-08-14 19:47:07 UTC
Eve is an MMO, so just because PvE is not optimized for single-player doesn't take away from what it is -- it is both PvP and PvE, which also includes categories you eliminated and didn't mention. These, like exploration, incursions etc. are no less PvE.

Otherwise, I'm unclear as to the point of your post:
But, I'll answer/respond to part of it.

Join a corp or don't. It is much easier and productive doing the latter.

Mining is probably the least effective thing to do solo. You could do the market solo and manufacturing with variable efficiency.

You can be a solo courier if you're smart -- it's not risk-free but can be low-risk. If you don't want to offer your service via say Red Frog or such, try networking with some small PvP or PvE groups (at a discount) -- look for people with war decs and stuff. Build a rep and move up to bigger clientele.

Otherwise, there is an alliance/corp of freelancers that run ads in the recruiting section (I forget the name). I'm not sure how useful it is but you may be able to get tips there.

Read the Eve Isk Guide http://www.isktheguide.com/ and check out Sci/Indy for additional useful information.




Pip Mayo
Exploration and Laboratory Services
#19 - 2012-08-14 19:47:10 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
This simply is not a solo PvE game.

Play any number of single player games if you don't want PvP.


MMOs are not just for PvP, they also are for games with cooperative play. Most MMOs supporting PvE encourage and support cooperative play. In a PvP environment with no controls, you cannot play that way. It is always PvP. I was just looking for the other style of gameplay. EVE does not provide it.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2012-08-14 19:49:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Pip Mayo wrote:
Why is this game built on a PvP environment?
Because it's the kind of game and target audience the devs are after.

Quote:
I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing?
Not really, no. That would rather defeat the purpose of the game.

Quote:
The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play.
Sure. So many other games have that segment covered, so there's no need for EVE to incorporate it especially since, again, it doesn't fit with the fundamental way the game works.

Try X³ if that's the gameplay you're after.

Quote:
MMOs are not just for PvP
Perhaps not in general, no, but this one is. That's why there are so many different games: to cater to different preferences and different markets.
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