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What keeps you from PvPing?

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Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#61 - 2012-07-12 11:18:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Diablo Ex
Honestly, what keeps me from PvP combat (even though I have done it on occasion) is simply the fact that I'm not interested.
I don't get a woody over the idea that I must amass a huge kill board to prove that I am a success. It does not inflate my ego one iota. When I do "PvP" it's because it is necessary in order to accomplish some other goal. Going out in a combat ship to kill other players for no reason is IMHO very repulsive and moronic. It serves no higher purpose than getting a cheap thrill at another's expense. Seriously, I know that statement will offend some of you, that's fair... we are equally offended.

I served my time in RL Military, I've seen the elephant, and I know what it takes to achieve an objective. For me combat is a means to an end... it is NOT a cheap adrenaline pseudo-drug trip. I play EvE because it is a complex and challenging emersive game environment, as well as a social outlet. My toon (Diablo) is trained primarily to be a supporting role in combat, not a simpleton grunt with a gun trying to get his Epeen on. I hate with a passion these young kids nowdays with the "Bully" or "Thug" mentalities. They are a societal blight, not worth the brown stain in my shorts. It's too bad that they can't find a more meaningful purpose to their lives than simply ganking unwilling and peaceful highsec carebears just because they can...

I guess that makes me a "Real Life" BitterVet

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Nebula Terron
Wolf's in Sheep's Clothing
#62 - 2012-07-12 11:18:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Nebula Terron
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Nebula Terron wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Nebula Terron wrote:
Eve Pvp is just not casual player friendly.



I log in about once a week for a couple hours, and often don't log in for 3-4 weeks at a time.

How much more casual could you get?



I log in get convos, members asking for stuff.
The Ceo needs something done, somewhere something went offline and needs onlining.
Once this is all done, I join a fleet, wait for the FC to sort his things out, wait for people to join the fleet...and wait....and wait....wait for Titan to bridge...wait and wait.

Then I log off and go to sleep.

Show me where is it casual friendly ?

Wrong corp/alliance perhaps?



If you have been somewhere for 6 years it is hard to just turn your back on them an leave.

On a sidenote, anyone recruiting ? :))

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Skorpynekomimi
#63 - 2012-07-12 11:27:30 UTC
Currently, Hull Upgrades V training. It's got a while left.

Once that's done, it's just finding where the **** I put all the bits I've bought for those rifters, and assembling them.

Then packing them into my orca, hopping down to near where I want to fly the things, jumping to a clone, and boarding ships.

After that? It's just a matter of who I find to shoot at. Once I've burned through those rifters, I'll make some more and go do it again.

Economic PVP

Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#64 - 2012-07-12 11:29:41 UTC
Halete wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
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This so hilariously wrong and full of assumptions. I've never baited or used neutral reps. Nor have I ever used the term 'you silly carebear'. I'm actually pro-bear. If you want to play that way that's cool by me. But this kind of attitude knocks my respect for 'bears down several pegs, to be honest.


Halete, I believe we are talking about different things. The thread is about Hi-Sec PVP afaik. There's only a small bunch of methods that can be used to get a High-Sec fight without having one side being concordokken. If you don't can-flip, bait. gank or ninja-loot then you must be in low-sec.....

*checks killboards*

Yup... you are in low sec. different things.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#65 - 2012-07-12 11:32:00 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:

The thread is about Hi-Sec PVP afaik.


Who says that?

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Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2012-07-12 11:38:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Halete
Marconus Orion wrote:
This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.

So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.

Thanks. Big smile


Didn't realize that this was a High Sec thread, especially with many of the replies coming from Nullfriends.

Say we're strictly addressing as OP alluded to, High Sec non-PVPers.

What's stopping you from basing out of High Sec but PvPing?

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-07-12 11:40:36 UTC
Halete wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.

So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.

Thanks. Big smile


Didn't realize that this was a High Sec thread, especially with many of the replies coming from Nullfriends.


Highsec players that don't PvP only post on the forums to complain about being ganked.

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#68 - 2012-07-12 11:40:41 UTC
Mizhir wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:

The thread is about Hi-Sec PVP afaik.


Who says that?


The OP did on post #1:

Marconus Orion wrote:
This question is directed at players who choose not to PvP. I am very curious as to what barriers, if any, keep you from PvPing? Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.

So please keep the post constructive and honest guys. If you do PvP, then please don't go crazy in here with posts of 'You're doing it wrong, hurr, derp!' scaring away the non-PvPers. I really would like to just hear from them on the subject.

Thanks. Big smile


Again:

Marconus Orion wrote:
Granted there are some players who live in unknown space, low sec and null sec who still avoid PvP, the question is more directed at high sec players.


...one more time:

Marconus Orion wrote:
--->directed at high sec players<---.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

Sarray en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-07-12 11:41:35 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Subscriptions to other games where PvP is free and is just one button away.


This.. World of Tanks is just much more fun P

But seriously.. I hate PvP in multiplayer online games.. In MMORPGS i hate it, dont know why.. Perhaps i play a lot like its a singleplayer game. Perhaps i dont like to gank others, but prefer to help them, and play co-op.. Who knows..

Irrelevant..

I started playing EVE because its SF game, and its a lot similar to ELITE. Who doesnt remember ELITE - www.google.com

P.S.

But, i will engage in PvP later, just not on my main acc.. Made a frig alt.. Just as easy fun, this is still my pimary interest..
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2012-07-12 11:41:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Halete
Shameless Avenger wrote:
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You repeated that a hell of a lot of times to miss the point. Well I guess 'Shameless' is accurate.

Anyway, enjoy playing your way. Smile

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-07-12 11:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Private Pineapple
Despite being in Minmatar FW and part of a pvping corp, the reason why I don't solo PVP is because I can't be arsed to bother with taking a long time to find an "equal" 1v1 fight. I plex a lot in my EVE time and I fly away from most ships and those pilots complain. Those pilots are usually in destroyers, cruisers, T2 frigates, faction frigates... and they wonder why I warp off as soon as they warp into the plex.

While I appreciate the disparity between ship classes and in-group categories (for example, T1 frigates / Faction frigates / T2 frigates are 3 categories of the frigate hull) I just don't bother with the risk with engaging ship classes higher than you. Therefore I keep plexing and avoiding solo pvp because most people fly around in faction frigs / t2 frigs in FW. I do attend to fleets because at least the disparity between ship classes and in-group categories don't matter as much to me in a fleet. I feel comfortable blobbing a Drake with 5 other frigates than I do trying to fight a kiting interceptor in a Rifter.

However, most of the above is really just because I can only fly a Rifter at this moment. When I get into bigger hulls or AFs etc I'm more comfortable engaging bigger ship classes and in-group categories but the main problem is that so many people blob. If you're flying around in an expensive Cynabal or Dramiel (two ships I plan on flying someday), word gets out and a blobfleet will attempt to kill you.

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#72 - 2012-07-12 11:46:56 UTC
Halete wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
...


You repeated that a hell of a lot of times to miss the point. Well I guess 'Shameless' is accurate.

Anyway, enjoy playing your way. Smile


Sorry... didn't meant to sound like a smarty-arse. I kinda over did it, my bad.


"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-07-12 11:47:39 UTC
Private Pineapple wrote:
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At least you're not the people in my space leaving grid in AFs/Dramiels when a Rifter lands.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#74 - 2012-07-12 11:47:52 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:

...one more time:

Marconus Orion wrote:
--->directed at high sec players<---.


Obviously you don't understand it yourself. So dont try to mock me that way.

He says high sec players not highsec PVPers. So he is talking about all the highsec carebears who just farm missions / mine / whatever all day long.

Again, don't act like that, when you don't even understand it yourself.

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Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2012-07-12 11:51:10 UTC
Halete wrote:
Private Pineapple wrote:
...


At least you're not the people in my space leaving grid in AFs/Dramiels when a Rifter lands.


They are probably leaving because they have aggro from every rat, which would add up to a considerable amount of DPS if he were to be webbed by your Rifter. I know I would be dropped dead in seconds if I got webbed while speedtanking a Caldari medium complex.

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Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2012-07-12 11:54:59 UTC
Private Pineapple wrote:
Halete wrote:
Private Pineapple wrote:
...


At least you're not the people in my space leaving grid in AFs/Dramiels when a Rifter lands.


They are probably leaving because they have aggro from every rat, which would add up to a considerable amount of DPS if he were to be webbed by your Rifter. I know I would be dropped dead in seconds if I got webbed while speedtanking a Caldari medium complex.


Would be relevant and true if they were taking rat aggro in a plex, but hell, I'm just talking about celestials, acceleration gates and empty belts.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

CutMeOwnThroatDibbler
The Fist of the First Men
#77 - 2012-07-12 11:57:05 UTC
The very wording of the question implies that everyone wants to PVP. We all get our kicks in life in different ways . PVP has never held any great interest for me against what I do in the game .

I like to play the market chat with mates and mine and make stuff . Thats what I like to do . If I had an urge to PVP I would , the same as I would bungie jump if I wanted to . I dont therefore .........
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#78 - 2012-07-12 11:59:31 UTC
CutMeOwnThroatDibbler wrote:
The very wording of the question implies that everyone wants to PVP. We all get our kicks in life in different ways . PVP has never held any great interest for me against what I do in the game .

I like to play the market chat with mates and mine and make stuff . Thats what I like to do . If I had an urge to PVP I would , the same as I would bungie jump if I wanted to . I dont therefore .........


And there is noting wrong with that. EVE is much more than pew pew, and that is what makes this game so great.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#79 - 2012-07-12 12:00:13 UTC
First, I assume you mean PvP: Space combat, not market PvP, or exploration, or any of the other forms of PvP that are in this game other than space combat.

For me its that adrenaline makes me feel terrible. I do not get "The Rush".

The Rush is a good felling one gets with and after a burst of adrenaline associated with an exciting experience, like PvP combat. Not everyone gets The Rush. Some get no pleasure from adrenaline, and some actually feel bad or sick from it. According to Dr. Drew Pinsky, the difference between these people is genetic. You are born to get The Rush, or you are not. The result is some players will not enjoy PvP and actively seek to avoid it, and no amount of game tweaking will change that, because game tweaking will not change their genes. After all this is a game, people will tend to avoid game activities that make them sick. Instead they do cooperative activities, industry, missions and the like, or just play as solo players.

People who do not get The Rush can also enjoy activities like fishing, a sport that is more popular that any computer game, even WoW. Or puzzle games, or solitaire, or Golf (one of the most popular pastimes on the planet). These players like an activity that occupies the mind, is relaxing, and gives one a gentle feeling of accomplishment as they watch the isk pile up. For them, a certain amount of repetition is not boring, its reassuring and relaxing.

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Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#80 - 2012-07-12 12:00:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Zaraz Zaraz
I think there was some ship captain in world war two who, on being congratulated for a very significant pvp kill, said "I cannot take pleasure in the demise of another man".

Frankly, I don't enjoy beating other people in any walk of life, whether in sports nor in online games. I'm more the cooperating than the competing type. It give me no pleasure nor enjoyment whatsoever to beat another player in a game. I never enjoyed chess nor soccer nor any of that. I've even deliberately lost a game so as to not humiliate someone.

I must seem like a very strange sort of character indeed.

What above poster said about 'the rush' and not getting it. I actually figured out how to deliberately induce an adrenaline rush. I can feel that any time I want. Its not a big thing for me.

So when it comes to the 'reward' part of life, pvp has very little to offer me...