EVE General Discussion

I don't foresee any worthwhile battles. It's more likely you will be zerged or 2v1 at best or "outplayed" by someone in a much better ship.
Going to solo pvp is likely to blow up in your face.

Also, I'm not the kind of person that picks on "noobs" without prior provocation, so being a douche to randoms is really not my style.

Once again, people who purposely intend to be douches very rarely go into ganking without having a major advantage on their side, like superior numbers or superior gear, so no point trying to fight back either as you will just die and feed their electronic penises.

it removed it so... Not worth retyping. :-p

While I have been playing EVE for all 5 years purely for PVP, I understand some people might be interested in stuff like mining, manufacturing and exploration, and I even think CCP should make those occupations more immersive and interesting, because most of the discussions / tools / news around the game are PVP-centric, leaving others in some kind of void. They want to enjoy their undertakings as much as we do fighting.

Why I don't PvP is perhaps better told in a story of fail, which starts with a "success"

2006, got my Catalyst. Thought I was all the man and went to lowsec. Promptly stopped by a Pirate and ransommed. The pirate saw I was new so was fairly reasonable with his pricing and let me return with some advice.

End of success stories relating to PvP.

Fails.

Got an Enyo, got promptly killed by three big ships.
Was in a deadspace plex in hi-sec, got can baited. My "PvP" refitted Ishtar promptly died to a trap of a tackler and a BS.
Hi-sec war. Station camped, days......mindless......waiting..............BORING
Another Hi-sec war. Didn't want to station camp but get a fight at least. I undock my Domi, only to find the single enemy guy being repped by a neutral. Still wanted to be brave and do something. So I fight. Scared of the repper, only to die because he had more knowledge of docking timers. He docked and undocked in his faction fir Vindicator. I died.
Some frig battles in the war, got a kill and a loss here and there that only can be descibed as cheesy station hugging/timer management and boring waiting games.

Want to go to lowsec in my hurricane. First jump gate camp > dead.
Want to lowsec in my harbinger. One scout sees me, I warp to safespot. I was found quickly and killed by a t2 long range tackler + 5 BC's. Got "Gf" in local.....for having the ability to cycle my weapons twice???

Eve "PvP" is a lie.

It is about:

Buying characters
Multi-accounting
Timer management
Willingness to create alt trial accounts
Gate/station camping
Outnumbering
Logoffski games

Oh look! It is a database client......

Then we have the "epic" wars. Eve PvP sucks so much that the largest alliances are downed by clicking a disband button, rather then through Sci-fi Space combat PvP.

Furthermore the community.
One is not allowed to play this game until you waited to train your character for ~1 year
Less then 50m skill points is a loser.
If you are critical of PvP functionality you are noob
Obligatory comparisons to WoW.
Just looking at some of the player/corporation/alliance names tells anyone this game isn't about some complex sci-fi space combat. It is a database management game for system administrators, programmers and other IT folk.
Trolls


Space combat? Nope. Fighting over key areas? Nope. Only thing that counts is kill or no kill, which must be accomplished through the above. Not fighting for something and driving the enemy off. Or just barely making it out and fleeing. No, not here.

And it could be so much more........I put one of my accounts on dual screen with the maximum graphics settings. It looks really stunning, now only if there would be some game behind this stunningly looking spaceship instead of some graphics technology demonstrator..........

Sadly I find the communication from CCP lacking in such a key area. This isn't about nerfing or buffing something, but how do they envision this supposedly key part of the game in the future. Therefore I can only vent my dismay. Posts in "Features & Ideas" or "Assembly hall" are, seeing the lack of reaction from CCP to them just a thrashbin. Perhaps so they do not need to read them and can keep their heads very deep in the sand.
But if you start talking about something such as a trailer, you seen that or that dev or want to praise them, you will get a response within a day, if not faster.

The only reason I still play are lvl 4 missions, that bored the **** out of me after three days. Now I am trading, that is starting to bore me too. Wanted to explore, but thought it is way too much hassle to keep switching between alts and main for scouting in WH's.

What keeps me out is the gang warfare and crybabies who can't hack 1v1. I used to love it years ago in lowsec, a bit of honour if you got into a well matched 1v1 when your opponent told his corp mates etc to stay out of it and let you go if you win. Very little of that goes on now and if you start to win, he'll cry for help and you get ganked by a mob of his mates. I've told my mates to back off before now so I can 1v1 with someone on an equal basis, I would always insist that they let him go if he won because he earned it. I've even sent isk for the replacement of their ship and a bit extra if they lost but fought well, it helped to inspire them to carry on with PVP although, I did note that not everybody would send them isk. I had the same done to me when I started to PVP and it gave me the will to keep it up.

I have no respect at all for those who are afraid of a fair fight and roam around in gank squads taking on lone players and newbies just because they are easy targets. But sadly, that's how the game has gone now, players now have absolutely no sense of honour or decency.

There are 2 types of player.

1 Type would have what happened to you (especially the " trolling coming from the maagnus guy" part ) become the spark that lit the fire of bloody (in-game) hatred and revenge the likes of which would scare and shame any Bride-like character in any Quentin Tarantino-like movie.

The other type says screw it (admitting space-defeat) and goes back to high sec avoiding the pvp activities they probably should have known to avoid in the 1st place. if your the 1st type you should pvp, if the 2nd type, don't.

And i mean that, one thing missing from this thread is people talking about the time they sat down in front of their computer and asked themselves "Am i they type of person mentally prepared and amenable to EVE's style of "PVP"? It's missing because most of them didn't do it.

Before I joined Faction Warfare (the day it went live) i asked myself that question, my 1st year of EVE was spent running missions only. Is pvp something I want to do? I watched videos on youtube and talked to people who pvp'd and decided I wanted to and i knew what I was getting into before I got into it, width no preconceived notions and have loved it ever sense.

imo to many people putting some kind of blame on EVE's pvp mechanics and not enough on themselves.

I can understand that, what I can't understand is why choose a game that is legendary for having that type of player in abundance?

While I'm more PVE than PVP, I don't consider myself a "carebear" in the most common sense of the word. Most MMOs (even other space MMOs) are built for the so-called "carebear" type player. I would NEVER choose one of those games because I generally don't like those kinds of people, and MMOs are about the people as much as the game world.

Using the Chess/Checkers analogy again, their is nothing wrong with liking or even loving checkers 9great game that is), but why, in a room full of checker tables wuth empty chairs would you sit at the 1 Chess table ????

Well, after coming back after 6 years off I'd disagree with this. Salvaging, better missions, deadspace, T2 invention(bye bye lottery), planetary interaction, incursions, gas mining, faction gear, scanning/probing sites are all very nice. Also wormholes are a fantastic way for lone people or very small corps to gain access to null space resources.

This game has improved drastically for the non-PvP crowd. And there's even things like FW for people who want large scale PvP without the nullsec space corporate life.

I'm also really interested to see what the new bounty hunting changes does for the part time PvP crowd.

No, that's roaming/camping against other players which I do find quite boring. And it's also the meta-game, which unfortunately won't change anytime soon because the pay to win element present in it is where CCP gets their cash from.

But you can still PvP without following the nerd herd down that path, it's just a matter of creativity and determination to succeed at it. The fact that CCP keeps having to add another layer of security to their high security space to retain the subs of people who can't wipe their own ass without NPC help is proof enough.

I'm not doing any of that, i don't even care what your view are. just using you as an example, and if you don't want to be used as an example , don't post SCREEN SHOTS of your self losing a fight.

You got beat.

Beaten so severely you (rather than find a way to retaliate) "went back to station trading" even if for the shortest time, as you yourself said. This suggests you're not cut out for the cutthroat/dishonest/treacherous world of EVE combat pvp. That's ok, lots of people aren't.

Yea, it's a game, we humans play games with our brains and if you don't have the correct mindset for victory, you lose. Of course, you can hide behind the "oh but it's just a game" excuse, but it's just enough of a "game' to encourage you to save screen grabs of it AND post those screen grabs here....

You can focus on my response to your loss (and it was a loss, even though you didn't "die", they owned you and you did nothing in return) if that makes you feel better, but it doesn't solve the problem of why you lost. The problem doesn't lie with bad game mechanics or "dishonest" (lol that shouldn't even be a word in EVE) players who fake 1v1s, it's lies with you for not being sufficiently space-ruthless enough for the space-pvp you were doing.