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CCP please reduce GANKING!
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Nayl Mkoll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-07-11 18:29:46 UTC
Osirus Bayne wrote:
Sinna Sek wrote:
Osirus Bayne wrote:

I am not asking to change the whole game, just to update the security in higher level systems.


No, just a pretty significant part of it.



U know i was told that it was safer in Null sec than in high sec when mining with a Hulk. I dont know how true that is, but if it is the case then it just fortifies my point that the Sec system may need a look see by the EVE Gods.


You are sooooo incredibly dense and contradict yourself constantly. You wanna know why its safer to mine in null sec than hisec?

In null we work together in LARGE groups to protect and defend our industrial assets and efforts. Its not all about the proverbial *ME* when it comes to eve. We have intel channels and know when any neutral is within 5+ jumps of our miners and get them safe before a neutral even shows up in system.

You hisec miners are too dense to leave the belt when something warps to your belt that clearly is their for no other reason to shoot you cause let me tell you belt ratting in hisec doesnt really bring home a pay check.
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-07-11 18:31:40 UTC
Nayl Mkoll wrote:
Osirus Bayne wrote:
Sinna Sek wrote:
Osirus Bayne wrote:

I am not asking to change the whole game, just to update the security in higher level systems.


No, just a pretty significant part of it.



U know i was told that it was safer in Null sec than in high sec when mining with a Hulk. I dont know how true that is, but if it is the case then it just fortifies my point that the Sec system may need a look see by the EVE Gods.


You are sooooo incredibly dense and contradict yourself constantly. You wanna know why its safer to mine in null sec than hisec?

In null we work together in LARGE groups to protect and defend our industrial assets and efforts. Its not all about the proverbial *ME* when it comes to eve. We have intel channels and know when any neutral is within 5+ jumps of our miners and get them safe before a neutral even shows up in system.

You hisec miners are too dense to leave the belt when something warps to your belt that clearly is their for no other reason to shoot you cause let me tell you belt ratting in hisec doesnt really bring home a pay check.



As I said before, he doesn't want to have to learn to watch his overview, and he doesn't want to fit a tank. You won't get through his core of entitlement.
Nelran Estemaire
No Spoon Inc
#63 - 2012-07-11 18:36:11 UTC
Sinna Sek wrote:


1) Fit a @#$% tank.

2) Pay attention.


Just forget about the tank, paying attention saves you more often, only time i would imagine a tank would work is if someone come at you in a frigate, which I cant imagine happen to be honest.

Hit dscan when someone enters local, if a destroyer pops up you go dock for a while. two things normally happens after this: Either the guy in the dessy leaves or another miner soils local with rants about how unmanly spacewarrior are by picking on free targets.

If you have low attentionspan just mine in a covetor or retreiver, lower yield, but far cheaper.
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#64 - 2012-07-11 18:38:12 UTC
You know what makes this laughably funny?

His alliance.

ORLY?

Quote:
Rather die than be a carebear.



Think a few of us in C&P can arrange this for you...
Nayl Mkoll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-07-11 18:40:05 UTC
WAIT GUYS I GOT AN IDEAZ

WHY CCP NO MAKE YOU INVULNERABLE WHILST AUTOPILOTING TOO? SO TRADERS DONT HAVE TO SUFFER EVIL GANKERS NEIVER
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#66 - 2012-07-11 18:41:14 UTC
Nayl Mkoll wrote:
WAIT GUYS I GOT AN IDEAZ

WHY CCP NO MAKE YOU INVULNERABLE WHILST AUTOPILOTING TOO? SO TRADERS DONT HAVE TO SUFFER EVIL GANKERS NEIVER



I TOTALLY DON'T NOT QUITE HARDLY SUPPORT THIS IDEA!
Nayl Mkoll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-07-11 18:48:13 UTC
CorInaXeraL wrote:
Nayl Mkoll wrote:
WAIT GUYS I GOT AN IDEAZ

WHY CCP NO MAKE YOU INVULNERABLE WHILST AUTOPILOTING TOO? SO TRADERS DONT HAVE TO SUFFER EVIL GANKERS NEIVER



I TOTALLY DON'T NOT QUITE HARDLY SUPPORT THIS IDEA!



I TWAS TOTALLY BEEEING SARZCASTIC




At OP when the game developers make a music video called HTFU and literally tell you to harden the fu*k up in their song and dont bleep it out, the message should be pretty clear that Guard isn't gonna ride in on a white horse and "hot fix" ganking.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#68 - 2012-07-11 18:48:43 UTC
Osirus Bayne wrote:
blah blah blah, I should be safe in highsec, carebearjibberish, blah blah blah


How about HTFU, get some friends, and make it impossible to gank you. Eve is not safe buddy, and it was never meant to be. You only have to conjure up the cumulative IQ of a common housecat to avoid being ganked.

As a ganker extraordinaire I can tell you for certain that it's much harder to gank in a 0.8 system and above, even with a fully T2 fitted and rigged Catalyst. I'd have to throw many more ships at you to accomplish this task, which affects my bottom line.

If you want to mine the better ore in lower sec systems then you accept the risk that Concord isn't going to show up in 5 seconds to save your butt. Maybe you should also, I dunno, tank your damned Hulk for a change, throw a friggen Damage control II on there and ditch the cargo expander rigs that gimp the crap outta your ship.

The stupidity of miners is astonishing. I must kill you all or risk Eve turning into a bunch of mouthbreathing slopes who can barely breathe on their own. Oh, and for the profit. Lets not forget that!
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-07-11 18:50:32 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Osirus Bayne wrote:
blah blah blah, I should be safe in highsec, carebearjibberish, blah blah blah


How about HTFU, get some friends, and make it impossible to gank you. Eve is not safe buddy, and it was never meant to be. You only have to conjure up the cumulative IQ of a common housecat to avoid being ganked.

As a ganker extraordinaire I can tell you for certain that it's much harder to gank in a 0.8 system and above, even with a fully T2 fitted and rigged Catalyst. I'd have to throw many more ships at you to accomplish this task, which affects my bottom line.

If you want to mine the better ore in lower sec systems then you accept the risk that Concord isn't going to show up in 5 seconds to save your butt. Maybe you should also, I dunno, tank your damned Hulk for a change, throw a friggen Damage control II on there and ditch the cargo expander rigs that gimp the crap outta your ship.

The stupidity of miners is astonishing. I must kill you all or risk Eve turning into a bunch of mouthbreathing slopes who can barely breathe on their own. Oh, and for the profit. Lets not forget that!



He doesn't want to have to tank his hulk or pay attention to overview, it cuts into his Adventure Time... time. He wants no risk mining.
Osirus Bayne
Sunrise Donkey
#70 - 2012-07-11 18:56:02 UTC
Vellen Thoss wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Osirus Bayne wrote:
blah blah blah, I should be safe in highsec, carebearjibberish, blah blah blah


How about HTFU, get some friends, and make it impossible to gank you. Eve is not safe buddy, and it was never meant to be. You only have to conjure up the cumulative IQ of a common housecat to avoid being ganked.

As a ganker extraordinaire I can tell you for certain that it's much harder to gank in a 0.8 system and above, even with a fully T2 fitted and rigged Catalyst. I'd have to throw many more ships at you to accomplish this task, which affects my bottom line.

If you want to mine the better ore in lower sec systems then you accept the risk that Concord isn't going to show up in 5 seconds to save your butt. Maybe you should also, I dunno, tank your damned Hulk for a change, throw a friggen Damage control II on there and ditch the cargo expander rigs that gimp the crap outta your ship.

The stupidity of miners is astonishing. I must kill you all or risk Eve turning into a bunch of mouthbreathing slopes who can barely breathe on their own. Oh, and for the profit. Lets not forget that!



He doesn't want to have to tank his hulk or pay attention to overview, it cuts into his Adventure Time... time. He wants no risk mining.


I want lower risk everything in High sec ( 1.0-0.8) for the sake of what it should be. You all are making out like I am asking to make everywhere in eve like this.... I am not.

Why do all of you that defend your position try and skew my intention into something that it isnt. I never said to make all of eve safer.
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-07-11 19:00:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Vellen Thoss
Osirus Bayne wrote:
Vellen Thoss wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Osirus Bayne wrote:
blah blah blah, I should be safe in highsec, carebearjibberish, blah blah blah


How about HTFU, get some friends, and make it impossible to gank you. Eve is not safe buddy, and it was never meant to be. You only have to conjure up the cumulative IQ of a common housecat to avoid being ganked.

As a ganker extraordinaire I can tell you for certain that it's much harder to gank in a 0.8 system and above, even with a fully T2 fitted and rigged Catalyst. I'd have to throw many more ships at you to accomplish this task, which affects my bottom line.

If you want to mine the better ore in lower sec systems then you accept the risk that Concord isn't going to show up in 5 seconds to save your butt. Maybe you should also, I dunno, tank your damned Hulk for a change, throw a friggen Damage control II on there and ditch the cargo expander rigs that gimp the crap outta your ship.

The stupidity of miners is astonishing. I must kill you all or risk Eve turning into a bunch of mouthbreathing slopes who can barely breathe on their own. Oh, and for the profit. Lets not forget that!



He doesn't want to have to tank his hulk or pay attention to overview, it cuts into his Adventure Time... time. He wants no risk mining.


I want lower risk everything in High sec ( 1.0-0.8) for the sake of what it should be. You all are making out like I am asking to make everywhere in eve like this.... I am not.

Why do all of you that defend your position try and skew my intention into something that it isnt. I never said to make all of eve safer.


What you think it "should be" is from your skewed perspective. I do not get where you got this idea that because a system says "1.0" in the top left that it should be completely safe. As we have explained to you before, security status of a system has not a damn thing to do with it's safety. You either are incapable of, or refuse to understand that your perspective of what Empire space should be is not CCP's perspective of what Empire space should be. You are not the first and most definitely will not be the last person to want to force this game to be what they want to play.


Empire never has been, and never will be completely safe. This is not WoW where you get to avoid PVP if you dont want to. Your options are to play better or move on, because its becoming clear EVE is not for you.
Sinna Sek
Aurora Dynamics
Pandemic Legion
#72 - 2012-07-11 19:02:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinna Sek
Osirus Bayne wrote:
Vellen Thoss wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Osirus Bayne wrote:
blah blah blah, I should be safe in highsec, carebearjibberish, blah blah blah


How about HTFU, get some friends, and make it impossible to gank you. Eve is not safe buddy, and it was never meant to be. You only have to conjure up the cumulative IQ of a common housecat to avoid being ganked.

As a ganker extraordinaire I can tell you for certain that it's much harder to gank in a 0.8 system and above, even with a fully T2 fitted and rigged Catalyst. I'd have to throw many more ships at you to accomplish this task, which affects my bottom line.

If you want to mine the better ore in lower sec systems then you accept the risk that Concord isn't going to show up in 5 seconds to save your butt. Maybe you should also, I dunno, tank your damned Hulk for a change, throw a friggen Damage control II on there and ditch the cargo expander rigs that gimp the crap outta your ship.

The stupidity of miners is astonishing. I must kill you all or risk Eve turning into a bunch of mouthbreathing slopes who can barely breathe on their own. Oh, and for the profit. Lets not forget that!



He doesn't want to have to tank his hulk or pay attention to overview, it cuts into his Adventure Time... time. He wants no risk mining.


I want lower risk everything in High sec ( 1.0-0.8) for the sake of what it should be. You all are making out like I am asking to make everywhere in eve like this.... I am not.

Why do all of you that defend your position try and skew my intention into something that it isnt. I never said to make all of eve safer.


I think you are misinterpreting what High Sec "should be" my friend. It is relatively safe.

Regarding .8-1.0 systems, there is a sliding scale of concord response times. It really isnt worth ganking hulks in those System Securities because you will have to put a greater investment into it.

What are your thoughts on ganking haulers?

EDIT: Please note "relatively safe" is not "completely safe".
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#73 - 2012-07-11 19:07:54 UTC
I'm planning a field trip....anyone care to guess where I'm going to fly my little dessie next?
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-07-11 19:09:16 UTC
CorInaXeraL wrote:
I'm planning a field trip....anyone care to guess where I'm going to fly my little dessie next?



I'll x'up.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#75 - 2012-07-11 19:21:51 UTC
CorInaXeraL wrote:
I'm planning a field trip....anyone care to guess where I'm going to fly my little dessie next?


You have my Catalyst! For the profit and glory of George Clooney!
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2012-07-11 19:23:42 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
CorInaXeraL wrote:
I'm planning a field trip....anyone care to guess where I'm going to fly my little dessie next?


You have my Catalyst! For the profit and glory of George Clooney!



True story: My aunt went to high school with him.
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#77 - 2012-07-11 19:30:17 UTC
No wonder he's mad....


His corp now has a HORRIBLE K/D Efficiency rating! How dare anyone suffer through the loss of a singular ship.


One time.


Ever.
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2012-07-11 19:35:05 UTC
CorInaXeraL wrote:
No wonder he's mad....


His corp now has a HORRIBLE K/D Efficiency rating! How dare anyone suffer through the loss of a singular ship.


One time.


Ever.



Oh noes!
Nayl Mkoll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-07-11 19:50:55 UTC
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH. THE GANKER GOT THE POD TOO????

AND YOU SAY YOU DONT AFK MINE? 0 Midslots fit (sheild booster was clearly off if it only took 3k damnage to kill you)
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#80 - 2012-07-11 19:56:16 UTC
CorInaXeraL wrote:
No wonder he's mad....


His corp now has a HORRIBLE K/D Efficiency rating! How dare anyone suffer through the loss of a singular ship.


One time.


Ever.


I still cannot believe how a single T2 fit Catalyst could've broken the incredible tank of that Hulk.

/sarcasm