Crime & Punishment

Not all in eve has alt, and not all chars are skilled the same... you dont have to be bright to understand that it has an effect.

PS: Most of the time

Well.. on the other hand you might say we offer a service for the new and casual players to actually get their competition out of the way.. who again most likly are the rich and experienced?
Anywho, it was fun.. now this is just going to go back and forth.. so stopping now.

If you want to hump my leg, you can find me in Devils own forum thread OR in game

If blowing up spaceships isn't a means to hurt someone then the attacker equally has no means of hurting the defender.

All wars do is enable people to shoot eachothers space ships.

Both the defender and attacker are equally capable of fitting a ship for PVE or for PVP.

There were numerous occasions early on during my PVP career that I was wardeced by people who proceeded to attempt to kill me in PVE fit ships, they failed because I, the defender, was PVP fit. Moreover there's very little difference in terms of skill requirements for effective PVE ships and effective PVP ships. The defender in almost all cases, and particularly in the case of mission and incursion runners entirely capable of being PVP fit if he wants to be.

On a purely mechanical level there's zero difference between the defender and attacker when it comes to their ability to "defeat" the other.

One side not being able to determine a way to beat the other, or being unable or unwilling to execute it is the natural way that a winner or loser in a conflict is determined.

It sounds bizarre to actually be typing this as part of a real conversation, but it is entirely okay and entirely expected for the people who don't know a way to win to lose. That's the very nature of competition.

Hopeless? Minning vessels have proven to be effective for BAW in the past (they're rather proud of it it seems).. point is theres always a way to fight for your flag. food for thought..

Also, can we go back to friendly-ish trash talk? If this continues as it does, were all gonna focus on Veers and hold hands over his corpse..

Your average PvE mining corp isn't going to be able to do that. A Marmite wardecc is effectively a death sentence. Thankfully, despite the merc crying, dec dodging works. Hopefully nonconsensual wardeccs in highsec will soon be a thing of the past.

Nah, I win every war I'm in. If you want nonconsensual PvP go suicide gank someone. Paying 50 million to be able to force people into PvP in highsec without CONCORD assistance is antithetical to the core of highsec. Hopefully non-mutual wardeccs will be seen as the exploit it is and will soon be a thing of the past.

I like how you ignore the use of wars to knock down structures such as POSes and POCOs, which are well beyond the realm of suicide ganking. In your no non-consenual decs in HS world, do you ban all player owned structures? Or do you make corps that own them subject to non-consensual war?

Frankly, it sounds like you haven't really thought through the consequences of your version of an "ideal" EVE. It also seems like you're making an awfully large number of assumptions about how wars are used based on a small amount of personal experience.

Either way....personally I would just get rid of them. They serve precious little purpose anyway, and mostly just litter space.

Trust me, I've thought it all through. I've examined a lot of wardeccs. I've read the CCP discussion of them. The system is hopelessly broken. The wardeccers spend all day crying about dodging. The targets spend all day crying about the unfairness. The nullsecers spend all day crying about the Marmite gatecamps. Marmite spends all day crying about the fees.

It's a broken system that no one likes, and from the fact that Marmite collective is able to wardecc my 1 man corp you see how stupid the whole thing is. It needs to go.

Crap.

There are many alternatives. It's not hopeless at all. This is conclusive proof that you are a troll, and obviously a butthurt one at that. You're also basically calling small industrial outfits out as being stupid, and incapable of adapting.

Being at war does not prevent you from mining. Being at war means you take measures to ensure that you don't get killed. It's about awareness, intel and planning.

Why not drop corp. Mercs hate it, so why not do it? Short of POS activity (which you have 24hrs to take down temporarily) it shouldn't be an issue. Don't want to take your POS down? Don't, strip it of assets, fill it with Stront and don't make it a target. Most merc corps, unless they've been specifically paid to kill you, won't have a go at a large, online tower. It's too much hassle.

Also, T1 Industrials take a few hours to train for. Create an alt, shove your procurer in a Badger, move somewhere else. Dissipate.

Don't want to drop corp? Stick scouts on each in-gate. A scout doesn't have to be in a cloaky, you can sit a 1 minute old alt on a gate in an Ibis. Mine at the outer edge of belts and not on the beacon and choose belts as far away from the gates as possible whilst ensuring that you've re-named your ship. Granted anyone worth their salt will have an alt get a warp in on you, but it will prevent opportunistic warp ins should you for example be in an ice field. Make sure you also stay aligned, carry ECM drones and fly a Procurer, not something slow or squishy.

Know your enemy. Most merc corps will dec small industrial corps for fun and won't specifically target them, and you're likely not their only target. Stay away from trade hubs for the week and stay off main pipes. If you're found and targeted, be aware of your enemy's time zone and arrange to move or play when they aren't online. If they have 24/7 coverage and are camping you in, just drop corp. Why not use the mechanics like they do?

I could go on.

The long and short of it though is that you're essentially spewing garbage. It's not mercs and CODE. that are killing hisec, it's people like you.