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My opinion: If you disclose an exploit to CCP, and then use said exploit, you are doing something wrong: Using what you yourself acknowledged as an exploit.

Also, many have this odd idea: "They did not fix it yet, so I got to force their hand". Why do you have to force their hand? If your enemy starts using the exploit, they will get the fallout when CCP nerfs them.

But to CCP, that is an issue. Someone discloses an exploit, their enemy starts using it, and you do nothing. In the moon mining exploit, you did nothing for a very long time. (To be fair, it was reported as a bug, not an exploit and never got into CCP's exploit fixing system. CCP just told those reporting it what the workaround for the bug was.)

This entire "LP for value destroyed" can be exploited in many ways. It does not have to be a LP store item that is traded up to a silly high value. CCP could actually fix that one by saying the LP handed out for the destruction of any item that is also available at a LP store will never exceed its LP cost.

But what about rarely traded items not available at the LP store? Especially ones that players can quickly create in large quantities, but are sufficiently unpopular that their trade volume is low? Those got to be handled too. Including unpopular T1 modules fitted to ships, and unpopular ships.

Also consider two players in different alliances that secretly work together: One drives up the price of an item to an unreal value. The other "just does market research" to find this item, and then buys a bunch at the real price and gets it destroyed.

This. The market creates these disparties on it's own sometimes without player help. At least active help. Is it ok to use it then? Is it ok to use it as a matter converter? Essentially this system can function like reprocessing for any item in EVE. It has dramatic implications for EVE going forward.

Printing money, or printing LP? There's a pretty big difference. Printing LP doesn't specifically print money; in fact, it reduces the amount of money in the economy by a nontrivial amount.

Along those same lines, what about people who didn't actively manipulate the value of items, but benefited from these manipulations?

doesn't really make sense to me. they didn't report the exploit immediatly, they abused it for two weeks, then basicly took the work ccp did for FW and took a steamy dump on it in front of the entire player base. who knows how much this frustrated players or caused people to unsub. who's in charge here ccp? you or goons?

I think it certainly has an impact on EVE as you stated, but that impact is something new. To make a statement of USING THE MARKET TO GAIN MONEY IS OVER EVE IS DYING, is a bit silly. (Not you specifically but others in this thread) This isn't a legacy problem and has no impact on how you deal with existing systems. It only impacts your interaction with FW.

What we need to do is take a good long hard look at how to deal with items that have disparate values in what are essentially two currencies. I'm pretty sure that is the pivot point in this scenario and from that perspective I'm just Winston Wolf. I don't design these systems.

As it stands today our stance is that buying something and purposely blowing it up to generate value in another currency is exploiting. It was clearly not our intent in creating the system for that to occur. The system was meant to encourage PVP not wanton suicidal destruction to print money.

I guess it would somewhat logically be the same to use an example as going to the lamp shop in America, buying a lamp and smashing it, and having the Chinese manufacturer send more money than you paid for it to your account over and over and over again. It's a bit of a stretch in my opinion at least to think this would ever be acceptable.

There's certainly a design flaw here that needs to be worked out but we have never intentionally introduced a system in EVE where buying an item and killing yourself should be a legitimate way to manufacture income. Least of all on a massive scale.

bad goons using exploits
and then saying CCP is kiling sandbox bohoho

this would be more like, you buy a rifter, and the insurance payout is 3 billion isk.

I will point out that 'printing money from nowhere' is done by many mechanics, but they are being closed off. BPC lottery, datacores, living in a complex killing the last boss, etc. And of course, I say this while swimming scrouge mcduck style in a pool of technetium isk.

I think that it should be clear that market manipulation is legit gameplay, it is war with isk instead of guns. The only sketchy part was the LP conversion using these modified prices, and even then, it would be something I think CCP should be able to catch. For real world example, if you have one person looting every single X-Type hardener... Shouldn't you be able to pick up on that?