EVE General Discussion

Let's see.

CCP puts this in-game, all the high-sec risk-averse filth take advantage of this "service" and begin making stupid amounts of risk-free ISK.

These players have ever-further bloated wallets and begin RMT'ing away their winnings because they make so much ISK they don't need to spend all of it on PLEX anymore. They also never lose a ship again, because they can rent security from CONCORD risk-free. PVPers also lose less ships, somewhat lowering the demand for high-sec's one valued commodity: Tritanium.

RMT goes through the roof. People actually playing the risky part of the game can no longer get ahead, even with Technetium. Nobody needs Tech anymore because Hulks aren't popping left and right.

Subs plummet.

EVE becomes a miner wasteland of filthy RMTers who have nobody left to buy their wares.

Your idea is brilliant. Send Hilmar a tweet, this **** is going viral!

My own contribution to this thread:

This is EVE. A hardcore game.
While ganking defenceless mining barges is not really "hardcore" IMO, I can see and understand why it's done.
But the moment when the carebears "Harden The Fack Up" and strike back with an overwhelming power, they lose their carebear title and then rightly earn their spot in this game.

But alas, most of these carebears just don't *want* to PvP, even despise the very act of it. This is a foolish opinion to have, as PvP is the very core of EVE. You shouldn't be wanting to limit it, or even remove it.
But some carebears do think this, and then ask CCP to take measures to make sure the carebears can continue living in their own little world with unicorns that puke rainbows.
But they don't realise this is a multiplayer game. With the emphasis on MULTIPLAYER. That means other players can stroll through your happy little world and burn down everything you ever worked for. You KNEW this when you started playing, you KNEW there was a risk of dying the moment you undocked. You took that risk. If you die, that's not because of bad game mechanics/design, that's not because other players are mean. It is because you probably didn't even try to minimise the risk. I know ways to avoid suicide gankers in highsec that simply can not fail. Heck, you can keep your MLU2s and survey scanner and not even tank your hulk... but it requires teamwork, preparation, and ISK. YES, ISK for your protection, a small price to pay for your life.
There are plenty of ways to protect yourself... so my greatest question is: why do people not utilize the game mechanics that allow them to live through a LOT of suicide ganks? Why? Is it too much effort? Too inconvenient? You sound like a lazy person that is unwilling to adapt to new changes.
And at that point, evolution kicks in: only the strongest, smartest, and most resilient will survive.
Right now, 'carebears' immediately raise the white flag and hope some kind of deity (CCP) will save their arses. It's silly.

As a 'carebear', you create inflation, you steal the profits of nullsec alliances, you dominate the market. And you expect that other players, especially those who you steal the profits from, just accept this without acting on it? Then please, just go play some kind of singleplayer game, because EVE is not for you.

If you really think you deserve to live a risk-free life in EVE, then work for it, don't go asking for a change in the game because you are incompetent at playing it.

Actually, at fanfest they said that the majority of RMT botters are, in fact, in high-sec.

Congratulations on a great post, I didn't read the rest.

False premises, et al.

EDIT: Caldari High-sec, to be specific.

First off that is CAUGHT botters...

you gona tell me every bot was a main? lol please... don't read anything beacuse you are just wrong.

You need a MARKET dumb dumb who were the guys who BOUGHT the isk? null secers...

Let's go on with your everyone doing it for RMT... all that means is ganking = MORE bots / RMT chars needed... so all you are doing is helping turn even into a RMT waste land...

Ya you lose, lose again, and lose more.

Also, CCP likes Goons more than they like carebears

Thats a statement of fact not a QQ

Zhihatsu's couch lightly scratches your butt for 69 points of damage.

I want PvP, I come to EvE. That's what the game's based on.
See any NPCs in the mineral market? Then mining is PvP.
See any NPCs in the LP item market? Then selling LP goods is PvP.
See any NPCs caring about the buying power of ISK? Then running Isk faucets is PvP.

EvE's core (and only redeeming feature) is the fact that player vs player interaction permeates the game.

Is this a euphemism for something that I am missing here?

The OP should be a sticky

EvE's only hard if you play with a single account. Get a scout, and the harshness totally disappears. You can roam freely, haul your loot, manufactured goods, or go -10, your alt can shop for you in empire, you can scam, do whatever, and get off scot-free.

This pseudo-harshness is actually an incentive to buy multiple accounts. It has created a faithful playerbase of high-sec, 0.0 and WH dwellers, who feel pride in striving despite this pseudo-harshness, and of online griefers. Most of all players, whatever their path, fund multiple accounts monthly, either through real money or PLEX, which are bought and sold by IRL rich players.

There are not many real players behind the keyboards. But this small playerbase pays a lot of RL money.


It works out nice. Because, at the moment, a single shard can only accommodate so many players. Yet, the day technology leaps forward and allows ten times more concurrent users, Tranquility gets Trammelized, to bring in the casual crowd.

And griefers will cry their griefbears tears "why did you do this ;_;" , unable to understand, once again, that each and every MMO that draws a clear line between pvp and pve areas or servers (that is, most of them), do so because of that tiny community of online griefers, who would require too many GM resources to properly cull, and who are better left as paying customers in certain designated areas.


TLDR: Should gamers all respect some form of common decency, there would be no need for hardcoded pvp restrictions, and complete sandboxes would be possible. If some players didn't go out of their way to seek pure grief from others (effectively not roleplaying in a game, but metagaming in a sociopathic quest for RL Schadenfreude), what need would there be for stupid mechanics like instagibbing CONCORD ?


The more griefing, the less sandbox