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Before you complain about other players in the game.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#121 - 2012-06-11 01:07:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Zhihatsu wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Tippia wrote:
What he described is entirely accurate and the only thing that is stopping you is you.

What is stopping me is lack of interest.


You're right, whining and crying on the forums about how Goons are ruining your game is much more interesting than taking the fight to your tormentors.

Go back and look - you won't find a whining post from me. Keep swinging your NPC bat though, you look cute in that Ministry of War uniform!

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#122 - 2012-06-11 01:14:54 UTC
Would not read again.

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Xavier Bandar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2012-06-11 01:34:00 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
No kid... This is where I "got into the deep end", so I don't need a video game to do it.


Wow, you bombed the barracks? I'm not sure you should say such things on a public forum.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#124 - 2012-06-11 14:09:50 UTC
Xavier Bandar wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
No kid... This is where I "got into the deep end", so I don't need a video game to do it.


Wow, you bombed the barracks? I'm not sure you should say such things on a public forum.

Roll

Kids these days...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Doc Severide
Doomheim
#125 - 2012-06-11 14:42:39 UTC
Easthir Ravin wrote:
Unfortunately there will always be people who poop in the sand...

Stop watching me when I'm in my own backyard please...
Qolde
Valtam Of Nioavellir
The Wraithguard.
#126 - 2012-06-11 15:27:36 UTC
You don't have to go to Sov 0.0 to not be a carebear. Almost nobody likes 0.0 politics and structure grinding, but that's just a part of the game there. NPC 0.0 is good. Hell even lowsec can be fun to build a little empire in. WH are probably the rawest form of eve you can ask for. No stations, no local, nowhere to hide in exchange for massive profit. You don't even really have to leave hisec to not be a carebear. You just have to adapt to your environment. Your environment being mostly comprised of the players around you. If someone ***** in your sandbox, light it on fire, grab your shovel, and throw it back at them.

If someone craps in your sandbox: 1. Light it on fire 2. Grab your shovel 3. Throw it back at them.

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#127 - 2012-06-11 15:30:34 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Tippia wrote:
What he described is entirely accurate and the only thing that is stopping you is you.

What is stopping me is lack of interest.


So why complain about the people who are interested?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#128 - 2012-06-11 16:10:10 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Tippia wrote:
What he described is entirely accurate and the only thing that is stopping you is you.

What is stopping me is lack of interest.


So why complain about the people who are interested?

Shocked

Don't know where that came from, or the crack about me whining about GS...

but ok...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Drunk Driver
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2012-06-11 16:23:30 UTC
Qolde wrote:
If someone ***** in your sandbox, light it on fire, grab your shovel, and throw it back at them.



Lol

Hell yea!

Big smile

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Gustavus Adolphus
Croatoan Enterprises
#130 - 2012-06-15 13:57:58 UTC
If everyone feels "entitlement", does that not mean there is none?
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#131 - 2012-06-15 14:03:51 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Quote:
You have never sold a mod to an NPC.

Every sale you make is a sale the other guy didn't make.

This is PVP. Player versus Player.


I will never look at the Auction House in WoW the same way again.


It's exactly the same when:

-You work you way first for faction standings

-you work your way out to have titles related to region/worl/server quests

-you work your ass out to get the 1st world/Euro vs US / server kill

-you work your ass out to get the highest tier sets/legendary weapons

-when you collect minerals/plants

-when you get your fishing titles

-when you work your ass out for pvp arena titles or stufz

And the list goes on and on.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#132 - 2012-06-15 14:12:18 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Tippia wrote:
What he described is entirely accurate and the only thing that is stopping you is you.

What is stopping me is lack of interest.


So why complain about the people who are interested?

Shocked

Don't know where that came from, or the crack about me whining about GS...

but ok...


Noticing your posts in other threads, I may have conflated you with other posters. Sorry.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Lexmana
#133 - 2012-06-15 15:28:52 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Quote:
You have never sold a mod to an NPC.

Every sale you make is a sale the other guy didn't make.

This is PVP. Player versus Player.


I will never look at the Auction House in WoW the same way again.

You look at the auction house in WoW? That explains a few things.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-06-15 16:08:06 UTC
OP read your post and found there is absolutely nothing there to discuss.
It is just a broad generic statement.

In before the lock for lack of content.

Barbelo Valentinian
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#135 - 2012-06-15 17:03:43 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

Nobody's yelling that it's too rich (if they were, disrupting it would be silly, since disruption makes mineral prices go up, thus making it more lucrative). The problem is that miners have gotten used to and subsequently developed a sense of entitlement to the ability to make Isk almost completely AFK. This has lead them to (wrongly) believe that HiSec space should be "safe" or that their untanked Max Yield/Cargo Hulks should be ungankable. This belief has led them to make annoying posts on the forums. These annoying posts on the forums have led to people disliking miners due to their inability to comprehend simple premises of EvE that have not changed since Beta; namely that you are never safe.



And round and round we go. What you are not getting is that the AFK aspect is why some people do mining and other AFK-able pursuits in EVE. If they can't do it, they won't "learn" anything else, they'll just leave.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that CCP wants to have such players in the game. Otherwise mining would not be as it is - it's pretty obviously designed to be one part of the game that's AFK-friendly. Their money is as good as your average EVE mini-me Nietzsche's money Pirate

The whingeing (so far as I can see) is not about being ganked per se, it's about a concerted perma-campaign to grief miners.

A player who likes AFK playing has already accepted the compact that they'll occasionally be ganked. Even Hulkageddon per se was cool, because a canny player might take advantage of it, and anyone who was really risk-averse could just sit it out. But a perma-campaign? I doubt it will really do much good in the long run.

I think some of you guys have your heads so far up your metagame that you forget that there are plenty players of EVE for whom such concerns are meaningless, they just want to potter about in a space game. Now, anyone who wants to potter about in EVE to the extent of subscribing to it has to have accepted that they're never absolutely safe (otherwise they really are an idiot), but an OOC campaign specifically targeted against them (for the sake of someone else's silly metagame) is a whole different enchilada.

The imperceptible shift in EVE from a virtual world (where the omnipresent danger is part of the lore) to a game in which winning at all costs is all that matters, is a huge mistake.

It's a monumental stupidity to try to turn EVE into "LOL in Space".
Xython
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#136 - 2012-06-15 17:06:28 UTC
This is quite an original thread and I am glad to have read it. Good job OP, excellent use of whitespace.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#137 - 2012-06-15 17:10:46 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Tippia wrote:
What he described is entirely accurate and the only thing that is stopping you is you.

What is stopping me is lack of interest.


You're right, whining and crying on the forums about how Goons are ruining your game is much more interesting than taking the fight to your tormentors.

Go back and look - you won't find a whining post from me. Keep swinging your NPC bat though, you look cute in that Ministry of War uniform!


I don't see anything in that post about "post with your main" or any variation thereof. So what are you talking about?

Self-appointed forums hallway monitor Ask me about La Maison and what it means for you! http://bit.ly/LTW5gW These wardec rules are not in place for our protection. They're in place for yours.

Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-06-15 17:26:33 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Noticing your posts in other threads, I may have conflated you with other posters. Sorry.

Shocked

/pinches self...

I'm speechless...

"Sorry" accepted..

/pinches self again...

WTH are the forums coming to...?

MANNERS IN MY EVE???!?

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#139 - 2012-06-15 21:39:51 UTC
Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

Nobody's yelling that it's too rich (if they were, disrupting it would be silly, since disruption makes mineral prices go up, thus making it more lucrative). The problem is that miners have gotten used to and subsequently developed a sense of entitlement to the ability to make Isk almost completely AFK. This has lead them to (wrongly) believe that HiSec space should be "safe" or that their untanked Max Yield/Cargo Hulks should be ungankable. This belief has led them to make annoying posts on the forums. These annoying posts on the forums have led to people disliking miners due to their inability to comprehend simple premises of EvE that have not changed since Beta; namely that you are never safe.



And round and round we go. What you are not getting is that the AFK aspect is why some people do mining and other AFK-able pursuits in EVE. If they can't do it, they won't "learn" anything else, they'll just leave.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that CCP wants to have such players in the game. Otherwise mining would not be as it is - it's pretty obviously designed to be one part of the game that's AFK-friendly. Their money is as good as your average EVE mini-me Nietzsche's money Pirate

The whingeing (so far as I can see) is not about being ganked per se, it's about a concerted perma-campaign to grief miners.

A player who likes AFK playing has already accepted the compact that they'll occasionally be ganked. Even Hulkageddon per se was cool, because a canny player might take advantage of it, and anyone who was really risk-averse could just sit it out. But a perma-campaign? I doubt it will really do much good in the long run.

I think some of you guys have your heads so far up your metagame that you forget that there are plenty players of EVE for whom such concerns are meaningless, they just want to potter about in a space game. Now, anyone who wants to potter about in EVE to the extent of subscribing to it has to have accepted that they're never absolutely safe (otherwise they really are an idiot), but an OOC campaign specifically targeted against them (for the sake of someone else's silly metagame) is a whole different enchilada.

The imperceptible shift in EVE from a virtual world (where the omnipresent danger is part of the lore) to a game in which winning at all costs is all that matters, is a huge mistake.

It's a monumental stupidity to try to turn EVE into "LOL in Space".


What's wrong with the campaign? Either ganking is allowed or it's not. There're no fishing quotas to be enforced. There's no hunting season. There's just what players decide to do within the rules.

If they've accepted the risk of ganks, and aren't complaining when they get ganked, then I've got no problem with them. They understand that that risk may vary due to other players actions.

Winning at all costs has been the only thing that matters since day one. Look at the history of Nullsec. BoB engaged the entire GBC against the Goons because I think they noticed that the Goons were a potential threat. The entire weight of the GBC against an alliance fielding Rifter fleets. BoB and the GBC vs a bunch of newbies in Rifters.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#140 - 2012-06-15 21:48:19 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:

Go back and look - you won't find a whining post from me. Keep swinging your NPC bat though, you look cute in that Ministry of War uniform!

I don't see anything in that post about "post with your main" or any variation thereof. So what are you talking about?

I think she's calling you an NPC alt, so critical comments from you are your NPC bat.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.