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Before you complain about other players in the game.

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#41 - 2012-06-09 00:10:04 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Syndrea Caedrion wrote:
That goes both ways.


PVP'ers apparently don't grasp this notion.

Miners are free to mine. PVP'ers are free to blow them up. Where lies the problem here?

Mostly in the fact that a good portion (not all) of the miners are trying very hard to convince CCP to make game changes that would prevent the pvpers from doing so.


Balls. There are thousands of miners and maybe 20 posted about changing the game.
If you call this a good portion...

There are thousands of pvpers, and maybe 20 posted about not changing the game. It's all about proper data analysis.

Still, if we go and gank 50 miners, and afterwards provide each one with a link to a GD forum thread about whether or not we need pvp flags, how do you think the majority of them would respond?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#42 - 2012-06-09 00:17:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Qolde wrote:
Including the Devs:
Permaband - HTFU
This one is better.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#43 - 2012-06-09 01:48:21 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Syndrea Caedrion wrote:
That goes both ways.


PVP'ers apparently don't grasp this notion.

Miners are free to mine. PVP'ers are free to blow them up. Where lies the problem here?

Mostly in the fact that a good portion (not all) of the miners are trying very hard to convince CCP to make game changes that would prevent the pvpers from doing so.



Can you please point me to this massively long list of miners that are actively petitioning CCP to alter the fundamentals of EVE? Or is this statement merely the same bollocks that so many others keep spewing out?

So far all I have seen are at most, a dozen miners who are whining, while the majority of the whining is coming from longer term "hardcore" PvP pilots. Strange, don't you think?

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2012-06-09 02:04:36 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Qolde wrote:
I just think it's a sad waste to see people being afraid to even attempt to leave the newbie area. Mining is a necessary part of the game. I have mined quite a bit, but have hauled more for mining ops. Ain't nothing wrong with it. What's wrong, is expecting to not get blown up every once in a while. In highsec, you have a reasonable expectation to not get blown up so often, but enough of the playerbase has decided not so with T2 mining barges anymore. Mining in null used to be the shiznit, til people started afking their hulks in hisec so much. I guess people are shaping that sand how they want. Now, if you want to afk mine in Hisec, you have to use covetors or battleships. P


So, why you try to change the way ultimate carebear like me plays EVE?

Far be it from me or anyone else to tell you to stop letting us blow up your ships.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-06-09 02:52:32 UTC
Qolde wrote:
Welcome to Eve.

"EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world." --CCP Wrangler

Nonconsensual Ship combat will not go away. Eve didn't even have sentry guns or CONCORD at the beginning. It is part of the core philosophy of the game.

"All of it occured in the same framework of unrestricted player movement and limitless player choice in a single, shared game universe. As our senior producer put it 'f*cking brilliant'." --CCP Explorer in reference to Burn Jita

You are never really soloing, and you are really always PVPing. Whether you acknowledge this, and how well you do this is your only choice while playing eve. You have never sold a mod to an NPC. Every mineral you mine lowers the value of EVERY other player's minerals. Every rat you pop lowers the isk value of every other players isk. Every sale you make is a sale the other guy didn't make. This is PVP. Player versus Player. This is EVE. Everybody Versus Everybody. They have the right to stop you. If your ship so happens to be in space it is a valid target, no matter what type of ship it is, what part of the cluster it resides, what mods it has fitted, no matter what you think.

Over the course of EVE's life, the players have adopted a number of mottos embodying the true spirit of the game. Some of which include:

Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

Adapt or Die.

Harden the **** up. (HTFU)

Go back to world of warcraft (GB2WoW)

If you are having problems with the playstyle of others, it must be suggested that you refer to the above in order. After exhausting the first three, you may feel like this:

EVE is hard.


At this point of desperation, you may still be tempted to post on the forums about why you're leaving, at which point you will be showered with this well known question:

Can I have your stuff?

Nobody cares that you're leaving because you can't fend for yourself. Sure the Devs may attempt balance things here and there, such as making certain things even harder, but your hand will not be held. They are not being paid to babysit. They are being paid to share their dream with us. That dream includes the pain of significant loss. Many players have had a problem with other players. You are not the first, and you won't be the last. The difference between the wheat and the chaff is: they do something about it. They don't whine.

When Band of Brothers believed that G Alliance had a mothership on the build, they didn't whine for them to be nerfed, they round up others who would fight with them, and sieged EC-P8R 23/7 for a week.

When Goonswarm first started. They weren't the most experienced players, but they had the drive. They took out veteran alliances battleship fleets with rifters. RIFTERS. Look at them today.

So before you post, think about what you're going to say, and if it will even be worth your typing. Please.


EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#46 - 2012-06-09 02:59:30 UTC
Ho hum. Another everything you do is PVP post. You guys have truly deluded yourselves.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-06-09 03:00:43 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Far be it from me or anyone else to tell you to stop letting us blow up your ships.


Just tell me when and I undock my Rokh and warp to nearby asteroid belt.
Chief Bob
Swine Capitalism
#48 - 2012-06-09 03:16:29 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Quote:
Over the course of EVE's life, the players have adopted a number of mottos embodying what they think is the true spirit of the game.

Here, fixed it.


^^^ this

I've noticed a lot of people confusing their opinions for fact
Torneach
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-06-09 03:34:16 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Syndrea Caedrion wrote:
That goes both ways.


PVP'ers apparently don't grasp this notion.

Miners are free to mine. PVP'ers are free to blow them up. Where lies the problem here?

Mostly in the fact that a good portion (not all) of the miners are trying very hard to convince CCP to make game changes that would prevent the pvpers from doing so.


Doesn't really matter if 'most' (and I doubt this is the case) are trying to convince CCP to make those drastic changes. Do you really think they'll succeed? CCP has done stupid things in the past, but they aren't that dumb. Waging a crusade because of what 'most' miners 'may demand' from CCP is ridiculous.

Tell us the real reason: you like it. nothing wrong with that, but don't hide behind a righteous cause, seriously.
R0me0 Charl1e
Easy A Industries
#50 - 2012-06-09 07:41:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Qolde wrote:
Including the Devs:
Permaband - HTFU
This one is better.

That pretty much sums up GD.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#51 - 2012-06-09 08:44:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Qolde wrote:
Including the Devs:
Permaband - HTFU
This one is better.



Funny

Tal

Bossy Lady
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#52 - 2012-06-09 08:49:14 UTC
Syndrea Caedrion wrote:
That goes both ways.



EVE isn't hard only when your opponents go out of their way to make it as easy as possible

Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M.

Bossy Lady
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#53 - 2012-06-09 08:49:56 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Ho hum. Another everything you do is PVP post. You guys have truly deluded yourselves.


List the non PvP parts of EVE please.

Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M.

Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-06-09 09:06:28 UTC
Bossy Lady wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
Ho hum. Another everything you do is PVP post. You guys have truly deluded yourselves.


List the non PvP parts of EVE please.


Unsubscribing.

Hello, hello again.

Qolde
Valtam Of Nioavellir
The Wraithguard.
#55 - 2012-06-09 17:24:13 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody.

I didn't make that up. Someone else imagined it first. Post number 13.

If someone craps in your sandbox: 1. Light it on fire 2. Grab your shovel 3. Throw it back at them.

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#56 - 2012-06-09 18:55:31 UTC
Qolde wrote:
Ris Dnalor wrote:

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody.

I didn't make that up. Someone else imagined it first. Post number 13.


Welp, I'm stealing it for my sig nonetheless.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#57 - 2012-06-09 18:57:58 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Qolde wrote:
I just think it's a sad waste to see people being afraid to even attempt to leave the newbie area. Mining is a necessary part of the game. I have mined quite a bit, but have hauled more for mining ops. Ain't nothing wrong with it. What's wrong, is expecting to not get blown up every once in a while. In highsec, you have a reasonable expectation to not get blown up so often, but enough of the playerbase has decided not so with T2 mining barges anymore. Mining in null used to be the shiznit, til people started afking their hulks in hisec so much. I guess people are shaping that sand how they want. Now, if you want to afk mine in Hisec, you have to use covetors or battleships. P


So, why you try to change the way ultimate carebear like me plays EVE?


'Cause we feel like it. You can choose to let us change the way you play or not. How you react to other player's influence is entirely up to you.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Yuda Mann
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-06-09 19:35:34 UTC
Here's the actual quote. I have it saved since people can't keep quotes straight around here.

http://eve-search.com/thread/528360/page/1#29
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
-CCP Wrangler, 2007.05.29

Also:

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=1293
I'm also against the lack of danger and the awful boring times when you are just chugging along and nothing threatens you.
-CCP Oveur, 2004.07.01
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-06-09 19:37:41 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Ho hum. Another everything you do is PVP post. You guys have truly deluded yourselves.


Its true, not everything you do is PVP in eve. Sitting on your butt on your space couch really isn't pvp.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#60 - 2012-06-09 19:39:02 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
Ho hum. Another everything you do is PVP post. You guys have truly deluded yourselves.


Its true, not everything you do is PVP in eve. Sitting on your butt on your space couch really isn't pvp.


That indent in your couch is making my experience less pleasant when I come visit Soon™

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon