Warfare & Tactics

Do you realize that you can solo every faction lvl 4's in a bomber? It's not just Minmatar & Caldari that can run solo bombers in missions.. Gal & Amarr can do the same it's just a bit harder and requires ships set up to do the job. Same with plexes..

Either way, plex NCP's changes do little to stop any "easy" mode plexing/mission farming because it then just requires a noob alt in MWD T1 frig to take aggro... If you want to fix plexing to stop noob alts from farming them, then just require all NPC's must be killed in order to complete the plex & then we can have more PVE in FW.

Even then 1 noob Thrasher can run any minor with a 3 day old skilled alt & kill all the NPC's.

What set up do you use to run all the amarr level 4 missions solo in a stealth bomber?

Again the lack of posting actual fits or evidence backing up the claim of certain parties just goes to prove how missleading and untruthful some people can be. You cannot solo Ammar missions or Gallente missions in a Stealth bomber. And in such a way ccp has rewarded our missions with more lp to kind of make up for that.

Secondly you have fully admitted there is an advantage on your side but argue for us to work harder at this. It makes a difference if you can run all 3 plex sizes in one ship and not just minors in a low sp thrasher pilot. But it is still argued by you that this is fair. Again evidence for our side that there is an imbalance and one side is disadvantaged greatly. I would say if they allowed the gallente militia to speed tank like you all do i would have 3 alts running plexes at the same time afk who cares if they get popped numbers prove i can just put them back out cheap. And same can be said if i want to go pvp i can just plex easy by speed tanking and not wasting ammo till a find a fight. You say we can use two alts well NO ONE IS DOING IT because no one thinks in thier right mind paying for two accounts is worth plexing one plex at a time.

Please get real with your arguements and provide at least some kind of evidence to back your claim on THIS TOPIC not another. You want another topic then post it in a new thread I will answer you there.

No target painters/webs = "afk plexing incursus" for missile spam plexes.

Spot on. Even if the T1 frig is another player instead of an alt it's still ridiculous.

The question everybody is arguing is whether you should be able to solo a L3 (or higher) plex with a 50k isk T1 frigate or a 5 million isk T1 frigate. To me there is little difference between the two. It's just as ridiculous that a L3 plex can be solo'd by an incursus as it can be solo'd by a T1 fit condor. The situation may be come even more absurd when CCP Ytter applies the 10%/level rep bonus to the Exeqeror (maybe a Vexor or Thorax, who knows, or perhaps one of the assault frigates) in 6 months.

IMO you should be able to solo a given plex (in a reasonable amount of time) with the largest sized (or best in class) ship allowed in the plex - nothing less. Since we can all build a great tanker out of a small, inexpensive ship, the only metric I see that would work well under current mechanics is forcing everybody to kill all NPCs before closing the plex.

As a point of reference, you can solo a L3 Caldari plex with an Ishtar by killing all the NPCs in about the same amount of time it takes to run the plex down. I don't believe an ishkur (L2 ship) can kill all the NPCs in that same amount of time. That's where we want to be, IMO.

I don't see an issue with giving missile spam to all races plex NPCs once the EW is removed. Every race has them, at least at frigate level, and it would go someway to rectifying the imbalance.

There are one or two L4 Amarrian FW missions at most that you can do solo in a SB. I've had a good chuckle a few times when ex-Minnie pilots have come over and discovered this the hard way....

Fully agreed.

This true, so i do not see any point to change npc because it does not really solve anything.

As i said thing is not so simple, you have to make some other decision 1st and then think how npc is.

Uproot. The rats don't agress unless you get too close to them. Orbit Main reactor at 72km when you get into plex and never see NPC aggression.

There is several issues, with plexing.

Example standings does affect agroes, so if you have good standing rats does not agro at all, no point to adjust rats if basic mechanic does not make those even agro.

Another question is that do we want to see low sp alts afk orbitting timer and getting shitloads lp without doing anything.
Killing those will give 100 lp max, so how long you think people will bother to shoot those.

So what? Until the militia players are notified of the plexes being attacked (or something else that makes it more of a pvp activity) it will always be a lame pve mechanic. Making you need to use a bigger pve ship is like trying to polish a turd.


CCP talked about making plexxing a pvp activity, but they did not deliver. They still need to work on this imo.