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I only really noticed a couple of things that were actually responded to, but still rather poorly, like you guys only added some code but didn't really try to use it, ever, in the process. And be honest, a majority of the issues that we have today WERE mentioned in nearly every single feedback threadnaught on the SiSi forum, they did surface, and you were made aware. You just said, 'well its change, regardless of how well it works.' (don't make me search those threadnaughts for the dev responses)



I think you might not have used the proper terms, b/c yes, there are alot of windows needed to accomplish tasks, but not too many to manage/move items. Your statement makes me think the respondents were saying there are too many types of windows that need accessed; Industry, Market, Character Sheet, Skill Que, Wallet, Assests, Corp, ect...

As the general theme for the feedback for this Unfunctional Inventory seems to suggest, alot of ppl seem to like their 'too many' cargo-type windows. Am i wrong?



Yes, but many of us on test server forums were screaming at you that this hot mess was not ready for TQ...or did you miss that? Did anyone who made this decision actually read Tippia's blog and watch the vid? B/c i only noticed you 'fixing' a very small portion of the issues that were raised on just that SINGULAR blog, let alone all the forum posts.



Yeah, ON THE TEST SERVER FORUM!!! It reads something rather identical to current TQ feedback threads...amazing really.



Are you talking about the User Interface, which yes, is being asked for constant small tweeks (better font/more clear/easier info), but i do NOT recall constantly seeing ppl having asked for you to completely overhaul the item management system.

All we are asking, is you put this huge mess of a thing that is still in Alpha-Test mode back onto SiSi, and rollback to the old system while you fix the issues that have been raised. It is the quickest and easiest way to resolve the issue and prevent even more un-subs (honestly sad my yearly just rolled over last month, so now i'm stuck, unless you give refunds)

^But that is assuming your pride can take the hit, which from this post, you seem to be dodging responsibility for pushing this out, despite the feedback, prove us wrong, post all the changes that you made to the SiSi build and then show us all the 'issues' that were raised before this went live, show us that it was 'only a few' issues that 'slipped'.

/rant

More feedback (again)

We need multiple windows that remember their state, content, and position between session changes. This needs to be persistant to both in-space and in-station. I don't like when i accidently 'close' the 'main' space window, then dock and have to fight to get the station version back out of my (not-so-active) ship cargo window.

Corp hangers, please returned to tabbed functionality, and remeber last used tab, this tree is uselessly slow and tiresome.

The tree is terrible. Try opening your inventory in a WH POS and quickly trying to locate your ship hangar so you can reship.

Dude, the community as a whole felt ignored. It's more than just releasing something you now need to apologize for, it's also the communication, or lack there of you guys need to own up to.

The inventory shouldn't have been touched until you were ready to re-vamp assets and integrate assets into the inventory system.

As it stands, the inventory system was a good thought concept that was poorly executed simply because not enough time was spent on it's development process. It's a half thought. Everything about it is.

Let me break down what I mean so it can be constructive:

Filter system.

Great concept! Yes it should be in EVE, however it's current state is not user friendly and there are simple iterations that could/should be added to it to make it polished for release.

1. Drag and drop for modules to be added to a filter, especially since there's been such a push for drag and drop on the market and everywhere else in EVE.

2. Sharable filters or even corp filters. We're playing Game of Alts™. This just seems basic that would need to be in before it was launched to the public. If drag and drop isn't there, creating a filter for one character is such a time consuming process that even if you do fix it down the road, people will only remember the cumbersome process and never use it due to always remembering how frustrating it was on release.

The Tree

Again, this definately needed to be in the game. Another good concept that should be in EVE, but not enough thought was put behind how it would effect people's day to day lives in the game. I'm glad it's being worked on, but let me go on to some things that (thankfully) have already been changed however, should never have gone live.

1. The tree should have right click menus for sorting/opening/collapsing etc. It should function closer to how the market trees work. It's far too easy to accidently click on the wrong tree and be lost forever.

2. Where's the "back" button!? I mean... um... yeah. Where is it?

3. POS's / Guns weren't put in as a separate item nor was range identified for something out of range. This also effected performance greatly.

4. Alphabetical ordering... no, really? To expand on this, there should be options on how to sort it. Very much how the inventory currently works. "Sort By:"

Removing of Commonly Used 'old' Shortcuts

You castrated people who do a lot of logistics. The ability to dock, right click my ship, open the fuel bay...

wait...

no...

I can no longer right click and open my fuel bay or corporate hangar!?

/sigh...

...click one button and open my [station] corp hangar then go to a tab which holds whatever it is I'm moving quickly. Then, undock move those items to another station/corp hangar at a POS or w/e, open the corp hangar and have the same tab re-open.

This process is repeated in EVE so damn much and it was removed. No, really... This process is already frustrating enough.


This whole process needs fixing FAST! My corp has 100 POS's to run. We move almost over 30 mil m^3 worth of fuel, moon goo and minerals around a week. People who produce in this game repeat this process over and over and over.

If you can make anything a priority, it's this concept of being able to quickly access a corporate hangar and making the inventory remember which hangar I had open the last time I docked. It used to do this, it needs to be back.

Furthermore, the remembering of what was opened the last time you docked needs to come back. As I said at the beginning of this note, moving things requires docking and undocking frequently. The very elementary concept of the old inventory remembering what I had open and re-opening it, my fuel bay and inventory window so that I can:

Dock up > re-fuel > grab ~stuff~ fill cargo > un-dock > warp to pos > open corp hangar (and have the hangar I last had open, opened) > drop ~stuff~ off > rinse > repeat.


meh... this is all I have right now. The other thing that I keep harping on is in my sig and it's the dual pane idea.

http://i.imgur.com/j8Jyn.jpg <-- look, navigation. Two containers open, but in a single window.

No, he's right. The old system was a pain. It needed fixing.

However the new system just wasn't ready for release. Had they waited, maybe even held off till the winter expansion. They would have had something that would have blown the socks off the community.

I want to start out by saying that the devs have shown incredible restraint and patience on the forums. Thanks, guys! Many of my fellow posters could stand to learn a lesson here.

I'm also glad to see that you're working on the inventory system still. Here are a couple of my suggestions:



1. Add forward/back buttons to the interface UI, much like on the show info screen.


2. Add an option to open a new window by default or use shift to open in same window.


3. Please increase the ability to sort/filter/condense the modules in a pos as seen in the inventory screen. Ideally, I could collapse all the different modules by category and type such that guns/silos/that would all be category trees, and then each type could be collapsed under that. For example the silo types would all have their own tree, and so would guns etc.

4. Remember my favorite hangar tab. Currently it always defaults to the first accessible tab. In my case, its someone else's and I'm tired of giving away my sleeper loot!


5. Someone earlier mentioned that expanding or collapsing the tree view should not change the size of the area allocated for items. I second this.

6. I would like to see windows remember their size and position from where you open them. For example if you open your cargo hold it could open a smaller window with a hidden tree view, versus if you open a hangar it could be larger with a visible tree view.

I was going to mention speed, but it sounds like that's being addressed, as is alphabetical sorting in the tree view and naming of pos modules. Nice work!

All you whiners talking about unsubbing: the logs show nothing.

^^^^THIS^^^^

Nuf said.

The point you're missing is that the new system ~could~ have been awesome, helpful and good.

It wasn't on release and now we're all caught up in it's development instead of it being done on a test server, with community feedback and proper development cycles and... testing.


EDIT: Imagine a system where, you search for something in a single search bar (similar to how windows works) and it opens up in a single window with it's location in an address bar or something. Something to where you have an intuitive in nature and fluid asset management and inventory system that is complete and functional. A system where folders and containers are no longer necessary. Or, when you have folders (containers) they too function with the inventory and asset manager.

With more testing and development, this could have gone live! It would have been great! Instead, we now need to hear people, rightfully, frustrated about what they're now forced to use.


EDIT2: The issue is that the development cycle was poorly managed. The old inventory system is (was) horrible. It needed work. The thing is, you got so used to it that you were able to put up with it's bulky interface.

Step 1 should have been to modify and fix the asset management window. Integrate it within corp assets (so I don't need to go to two different places) and provide something in the asset management for filters and searches.

THEN go for the new inventory system.

they did it backwards.

It could have been if they had spent a couple more months revamping and testing arguably the most fundamental system in the game.

For all the extra info the new window gives us (cost, percentages, etc) maybe a more or less info arrow like under the fitting tool. One is just boarder, inventory and title and loot all (when applicable). The other is all the stuff now. It would allow us to have info choices in space. All the info is nice but not needed when I'm taking care of business with my serious internet spaceship.

Again, game inventory system is not filemanager. Not needs tree panel. When i want to open my cargohold, i dont want to see another mixed things in my cargohold what messed with inventory. I dont want to use joypad for scrolling up or down or using mouse scroll at least half hour long when i looking something.
This iventory type is a console controller concept.

I dont want to see this : http://toastytech.com/guis/win31winfile.png

Shift+clickShift+clickShift+clickShift+clickShift+clickShift+click hundred times, everywhere at the pos, when want to loot, at corphangar. This is a normal thing with a perfect inventory manager ? I dont think so.

Other thing, without shift+click, the treepanel is not working fine. Anybody see this. The user need to open another windows for handle their items.
That's same method as the old inventory worked. Where is not just one windows was on screen. This is showing us, treepanel or single window on screen have bad functionalty, and dont working without old functions.
Need multipanel or more windows. But when treepanel need old functions, why we need the treepanel ? The old function enough, tree panel is totally unnecessary.