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This makes me a sad, sad panda...

Damn it, now you've made me hungry.

I'm not sure if someone else has brought this up, but why isn't there an isk column in the inventory (and while we are at it, an isk/m3 column). The data is there and honestly, having the total at the bottom is purely a 'nice to have' compared to the utility of having it as a column. Isk/m3 is useful if you want to decide what to evac from a wormhole first, for example.

Hopefully we can get this eventually.

I just find it extremly funny if people all of the time say "It's something You need to get used to"

NO
I don't NEED
Its a Game . I play it for my fun and pleasure... and even pay for it.
It's not important for Life or survival or work.

So I don't NEED to get used to something ... I just NEED to stop paying / playing it.
full stop.

first off, Soundwave the work you do talking to the community is excellent, i wouldn't dream of saying otherwise. the same goes to all the other CCP staff who do likewise, when the **** hits the fan your here listening to everybody vent, trying to help out, that's great, i just wish other staff would at least spend half an hour to an hour a day responding to questions on THEIR work (*cough* CCP Arrow and CCP Optimal *cough*) i know they must be busy but one hour to show that CCP is actually committed to keeping good communication with the player base - especially after incarna - would go much further than you or any other employee saying you don't know you didn't work on it.

now i'm sure this is going to get buried but here goes here are my personal concerns, starting with the really important general one.

first and most important, the process that's happened here is almost identical to incarna. CCP put something on the test server that wasn't ready for deployment, were told about issues over and over again in the feedback thread and then promptly ignored them all and made it mandatory. then to add insult to injury somebody at CCP decided to make a cut and paste support response for, which didn't answer the question asked, outright lies and then points out two things you can do and says "this'll fix it!" when it obviously doesn't.

the lie? "With it, you can more easily manage all of your inventory from one screen" you forgot to add unless you want to move it, then you'll have to scroll like there's no tomorrow if you have a decent number of assets or ships. And lets not mention the extra 5-20 seconds delay i'm experiencing every single time i dock or warp to a POS on a high end machine with a 100mb connection

the two things? why shift click and click the condense arrow of course! then it'll give you the same experience as before! whoever came up with this little gem obviously hasn't tried it, i challenge any one of you to hide the filter and tree system, and get the same functionality. go on. i'll wait.

This is poor communication pure and simple. as is the fact that you and everybody else at CCP seems to be trying their damnedest to ignore the great steaming pile of excrement in the room which is that the overwhelming majority of people on the forums? DO NOT WANT this system bugs or no bugs, they don't like it, it doesn't give the same functionality. most of the rational ones will agree some people will. and THAT is part of the problem, this new UI? isn't inherently good or bad, it's entirely situational and depends on what you do and how you do it for my CEO? it's good, for me? it's nigh useless, and instead of those people getting any sort of reasonable response or attempt at compromise we get what essentially boils down to "tough it's here to stay" which smacks of incarna yet again.

you say two systems aren't really an option? why. give us clear concise reasons. most of EVEs players are not stupid. most of us are professionals or at least adults who will listen to a rational argument. instead of just saying "we can't do it" tell us why not. also last time i checked it was plenty possible for - again - the whole incarna mess which again you said was mandatory and wouldn't be changed.

i really hope i'm wrong but it seems like this expansion is a huge step backwards not only as far as the inventory is concerned but also where CCPs direction is concerned.

to quote Hellmar from his devblog



please take 5 minutes and take the time to read that dev blog again and remind yourself of the mistakes and promises you made then.

Here i'll link it for you.

for me? i'm not mad, i'm genuinely sad about this backslide. and as it stands right now i'm not renewing my subs. that simple. no you can't have my stuff. kinda unfortunate that i've been playing for 5 years now, and the week i hit 100mill SP on my main account you kill the fun i get from the game. i build things, i use my inventory ALL the time, it's by far my most used feature, and you've destroyed it. what was 20minutes work per character is now nearly double that because of all the scrolling, and then second takes because it wasn't scrolling, and then corrections because i dropped materials into the wrong hanger by mistake.

the least it would take to turn this around in my eyes? make the new inventory UI in station only, preferably an option to disable it completely.

the best result as far as i'm concerned? an option to disable it - as like i said some people like it AND an apology for yet again ignoring your players.

and on a side note how exactly do you expect to get more people to test things on SiSi when you make a habit of ignoring the feedback you get from them? really.

CCP Soundwave, I appreciate the fact that you guys don't want to maintain two inventory systems. After using the new system for about I would say 10 hours now. Inventory window without the tree would serve would serve just fine to replace the old UI function, the problem is you have removed all the buttons that used to access Most things. Put the buttons back using the new inventory system code, most people can just permanently shrink the tree portion of the window and you never have to use the clunky new feature. As far as the different Corporation hangar divisions, I'm willing to deal the tree system for that. But as I've said before removing it the buttons that everybody uses. To try and force them to experience your clunky system is just fing shortsighted, ignorant and arrogant . You pulled the same thing with Capt. quarters.

TL:DR

-- Put back all the old buttons that you were moved from both the right-click menu and everywhere else, that way people can just Srink the tree and never have to deal with it, with the exception of corporate hangars.

So soundwave will "probably not" revert back to the old inventory system?

Well, then i will 'probably not' renew my subscription. You are just wasting it changing things for the worse anyway. Why would i waste more of my time playing this game when there are imbeciles making terrible design decisions (along with some good thankfully), quarter after quarter with very little interest in justifying it.

Like the overview locking for example is hideous and is still in game, i landed on an acceleration gate the other day, locked up the gate and 2 allies before i managed to start locking the actual war target. No joke.

Last time you guys lost a quarter of your staff, tbh im beginning to think there might eventually be more in that pipeline if you keep breaking things that wernt broken instead fixing what is.

While the trees make some things harder to do and others easier there are a few bits of accessibility I would like to see.

REMOTE INVENTORY CONTROLS
I can buy and sell things from a remote location with the proper skills, but I cannot perform other operations like repackaging and stacking so if I have items to add to a sale I have to cancel the sale... HOPE they stack properly with existing inventory, and then re-list. When they fail to stack on their own I have no way to do that without actually flying to that station making the ability to remote sell somewhat less useful than it should be.

UNIFIED WITH WHATNOW?
The tree is nice but doesn't seem to accomplish what I thought it was intended to do, which is give me a truly unified view of my galactic inventory. I Cannot take steps UP from where I am and browse down to inventory in other stations and locations.

Without that ability it's really little or no better than the old system. I'm willing to put up with the additional complexity if I could do those things but without them, it's a step backward for me. It takes me longer to do the same things I used to with no gain in flexibility.

one last thing...

YEA! I'M OCD! THAT'S WHY I'M HERE!
The ability to make certain inventories or stations secondary or temporarily hidden would be nice. I have things stashed places for rainy days. I know where they are, but until the time comes to use them ( every 3 months in that one station for the SOE epic for example ) they're just clutter.

Can I Haz....................Nahhh.. I don't think I want your stuff. Wont much much value anyway.

In my opinion, the new Inventory System is CRAP. Took me only 1 minute to figure out. I will give some reasons.

1) Tree view. Navigating the POS/Station containers is OK. Not good at all if you need to transfer items between those containers.

2) One thing is POS/Station hangars/containers. Very different is ship containers. Ship cargohold and wreck "cargohold" should not merge in one "inventory" big window. Drag and drop between separate windows is a must in order to minimize "click fest". Also even with clicks is very confusing.

3) I know "hard core" players never do Indy stuff or Loot stuff. But I didnt knew that CCP devs also never do it. Reversing, Inventing and makings stuff never was easy but now is a real boring and confusing clickfest nightmare.

4) Its me or i am the only one experiencing some kind of strange lag when interacting with my stuff?

5) I have a question for any CCP DEV: Why fix something that is not broken? Why dont use those valuable CCP resources to fix other important issues? Were are the "Current Various Forum Threads" that CCP Soundwave is talking about?

Maybe you CCP can:

1) Do it Incarna style: "Captain Inventory is here to stay. Period", but put a "Old Inventory style" checkbox option.

2) Almost fix it.: separate windows for Ship Cargohold, for Wreck Cargohold and (yes, I do Indy) for POS´s Labs and Arrays.

3) Or you can negate the problems, negate the outcry. Ignore the Indy player base. Ban protesters. Do nothing. Incarna style.

I wish they will never "Fix" Wormholes