Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm not going to allow a cowardly little alt poster to derail the thread into a pissing match. Its no need to. UMad wasnt even the first iteration.

You're a sycophant. You require attention. Negative or positive you just can't stay away. No matter what I say you'll cling to my words and post each and every time. By all means Zim prove me wrong, don't post anymore. Betcha can't!

Create your own thread defending local chat. Let's see the ability for you to do anything other than meander on for the last word.

keep handwaving it's not like you're regurgitating the same drivel on and on despite everyone who actually Plays The Game telling you why You Are Wrong

Why don't you go to a wormhole? Too scary?

The only people I have heard arguing for local to remain in Null are the usual candidates who are part of the lazy blob at the moment.

Umm because the lazy would actually have to do something to find you in the first place.

And yes I am aware of the anom argument but lets see you go through 4 or more systems warping to every anom and coming up empty, before you decide to do some work and actually try to scan people down.

What I find particularly funny is that the people against removing local from Null come from the very same Alliance and CFC as those using the tech bottle neck to fund the Infinite Hulkagedon thus providing their Alliance and the CFC with even more cash.

Is this because they are worried about people being able to sneak into their own space undetected and add the CFC's hulks to the hulkagedon killboards?

Is it because in Null sec local allows you to instantly see if anyone is in a system that shouldn't be there giving them safety. Where as in Hi-sec the residents are so much more numerous that local is a better tool for the ganker?

Null sec is so safe that these very people are able to abandon there territory to go and Burn Jita with no fear of loosing their sovereign space.

Those differences are why local would be broken in wormholes and why it's necessary in k-space. It is not our problem if you couldn't hack it in wormholes, we just don't want cherrypicked aspects of wormhole space being imported to nullsec with zero balancing.

That does not follow.

Wormholes have variable points of connection. This makes knowing who is in your wormhole dependent on knowing who could be in it, based on who has access to that external connection.
Long description short: You have less information in the wormhole than in regular space. Even with local to give away all present, this dynamic would destabilize a regular system by exposing it to unpredictable risk.
Local being absent magnifies this element's uncertainty factor, it does not balance it.

Wormholes have limited storage and transfer restrictions. For storage, you have what your ship can carry, and what you can store in a friendly POS. With a POS, you are often forced to trust other players with any and all resources stored there.
With transfer restrictions, you are limited with what you can bring into the wormhole space, as well as what can be exported. Export limits are often a far lesser concern, for obvious reason.
Local being absent does not reduce the impact this has on gameplay, at best.

Wormholes do not have a market. Outside of trades, if you need something, it's up to you to go and get it outside of wormhole space. If you have a backing organization, then they can attempt deliveries.
Local being absent makes travel with cargo more challenging than would be otherwise.

In each of these major points, the absence of local does nothing to mitigate the in game impact of these features. In most of the details, the absence of local makes the aspect more of a challenge than it would otherwise be.

If anything, wormhole space is more challenging for several reasons. The absence of local is far from balancing them for risk, it enhances the level of risk.

Its a game stagnating situation that needs to be fixed. Local single handedly kills almost every "feature" chaos theory and emergent gameplay offers.

Locator Agents______ makes locating a war target trivial.
Locator Agents______ makes avoiding a war target trivial.
Jump Gates and neut alts______ prevents true stealth attacks.
Jump Gates and neut alts______ prevents true stealth travel.
d-scan/probes/dotlan______ gives intelligence unearned and effort free at zero cost.
Nothing (goons prove this every day)______ makes chaos theory and emergent gameplay an impossibility.
Nothing______ makes scouting skills on your pvp character an exercise in futility.
(a person just can't suck at it)
War-Dec Mechanics______ inevitably turns all sanctioned pvp into a campfest.
Sucky Mercs and no way to enforce contracts on them______ makes hiring a merc corp to war dec a grief corp a waste of effort and resources.
Jump Gates______ makes cloaking in general, useless.
People's own risk aversion______ makes "afk" presence an option for asset denial.
Multiple Alt Characters______ allows gate camping to be done in relative safety and without do risk of larger camps sneaking up on them.
Situational Awareness______ makes neutral alts mandatory when targeting a competent player for non-consensual pvp.
Whining on the forums every other day______ doesn't make sense in a hardcore sandbox MMO and feels amateur in implementation.
PVE Content______ being removed would kill most botting operations in EVE with zero coding required.
Indestructible Stations ______ is a crutch used for the lazy to secure themselves from risk.
static asteroid belts______ allows suicide gankers to find miners without any real scanning work being done beforehand.
Jump Gates______ makes the vastness of space feel absurdly small.
Lack of skill______ makes black ops somewhat pointless.
Neutral Alts and static routes between systems______ makes non-consensual pvp a myth. At best something only the dimmest endure.

There are no right or wrong answers here so its a very general discussion. If by chance one particular answer stands out, ignore your gut feeling. Its just wrong thinking, obviously.