Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I will guess that you would suggest some form of proactive defense. Considering the mackinaw's limits, that would most likely be having others escort you, all the way to setting bubblecamps on Null gates.

Sure, you could try to mount a tank on a mack, but past a certain point you just change ships entirely, and load a rokh up and use it instead.

Hisec is a unique puzzle. How do you prevent a pilot from killing you, when they already expect and have accepted they will also die in the process?
As far as I can see, the best deterrent you can imply is that they will die alone.

In low and null, the threat of them dying is often the actual deterrent.

Perhaps if an orca boosted defense rather than mining results, it might help. (Assuming an orca here, it could be any BC or command ship really)

Though a sidetrack to the thread, yes. Mackinaws were mentioned by name.

I was pointing out how it was actually more practicable to defend a miner with NBSI in null or low, rather than hi sec.

To get back on track, I would suggest that miners should not be listed on the menu, (AKA: Local Chat), for hunters to see at a glance. Removing local would force hunters to scan for miners, and by doing so expose themselves to the miners as a potential threat.

Ugh no, that's a bad hack, and it wouldn't solve anything, anywhere. It certainly wouldn't do anything in hisec.

Listen, the problem isn't so much the fact that hisec miners are being ganked, since the game is designed so that this is supposed to be possible after all. No, it sounds more like the inconveniences incurred by continued ganking isn't deterring people from going to -10 and staying there.

I'd defend to the death the possibility to gank in hisec, but I wouldn't disagree with, or ***** about how CCP was ruining the sandbox if they were to see what's happening in hisec now and making a few minor tweaks to try to curb the ganking which may or may not be running rampant (that's up to CCP to decide). I would only really ***** if they were to stop people from ganking in its entirety, since hisec is supposed to be safer than the other sec statuses, but you're still not supposed to be completely safe.


A dirty euphemism if I ever saw one. :colbert:

Um, I don't see how removing miners from local would inhibit the gankers one whit. Worst case they have a cloaky alt which they put right where they want to land, fleet up and warp to the alt, lock the guy up and shoots him. Voila, he has what, 2 seconds total of reaction time?

No, that's not a solution to anything, and it's the wrong end of the stick to handle.

It wouldn't really be a huge commitment to use a second account for warpin, as using multiple accounts is something I do all the time for jewing purposes. And I hope you don't take the word "fleet up" as more of a commitment than it actually is. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if people were using that already, since some miners aren't fully ******** and will actually warp off when people in non-mining ships get too close.


Wait, remove local? I thought you said "remove miners from local"?


There are a few things with this. First of all, again, using a second account to provide warpins, cloaked or not, is probably done today. Second of all, how many miners have begun to do the bare minimum of tanking their ships as it is, let alone start monitoring for whether or not there's someone in the belt with a cloak on.

Of course, if there was some way to actually detect cloaked ships and the miners actually began scanning for cloaked ships and warping out every time they saw one, then I'd probably have a fair bit of fun just sidling up to some in a cloaked transporter or something, just to see them warp off.

There are tons of things miners can do to make it so suicide gankers do not have an I win button. They can fit a proper tank, they can employ RR, they can keep their speed up by circling something so they exit the effective range of blasters etc, but if someone is determined to take out a miner, nothing'll stop that someone from bringing more people to the gank and executing it anyways. This was proven time and time again (both ways) during the ice interdiction.

And as for local, if you mean that CCP should remove just miners from local, then that won't help anyone in hisec, since gankers don't go after certain people, they go to belts and shoot the miners they find there to itty bitty bits. If you mean that CCP should remove local in its entirety, then I don't see how that's going to be positive for anyone except the gankers if they're in, say, goonswarm, because then the miners can't see that the local population suddenly got a few goon chars.

No, if you're actually concerned with the amount of miners ganked, then I'm pretty certain that the proper lasting solution would be to get CCP to do minor changes to how crimewatch treats people with very bad security status to make suicide ganking something which is doable, but there are limits to how far you can push the envelope before the reactions become an actual deterrent. Because that's the thing which is the problem with suicide ganking these days, the deterrents aren't sufficiently deterring.

I see. Well, if there'd been ships or modules which could find cloaked ships, and either the rewards were buffed quite heavily to compensate for the added risk, or hisec didn't have L4s or similar to spew forth isk in more or less absolute safety, then I'd be for this, since there'd be no real alternative to make isk.

Otherwise, any such change would just end up sending a vast majority of the carebears I assume you'd go after as a SB pilot back to hisec, and all which'd be left in null and lowsec would be roaming gangs bemoaning the lack of targets and fleets shooting POSes and other structures. vOv

But I like secs.

In our survey we found that 1000 out of 1000 vikings found local chat in EVE unicelandic.

I'm not going to allow a cowardly little alt poster to derail the thread into a pissing match. Its no need to. UMad wasnt even the first iteration.

You're a sycophant. You require attention. Negative or positive you just can't stay away. No matter what I say you'll cling to my words and post each and every time. By all means Zim prove me wrong, don't post anymore. Betcha can't!

Create your own thread defending local chat. Let's see the ability for you to do anything other than meander on for the last word.