Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And this is where your concept of "game balance" breaks down.

Or are you going to suddenly start talking about an idea where the system inhabitants are able to get a fair warning ahead of the "you have been warpscrambled" message, so they have a modicum of chance to escape if they're paying attention? Or are you going to claim that the obvious solution to your change is to put a cloaked char on each and every stargate and wormhole entrance in the system?

If putting a cloaked character on every gate would be your method of security then that would be your method. you could have cloaked ships accompanying mining groups or for that matter a battleship or 2.

You always seem to argue why Null should be safe and you should get plenty of notice of incoming enemies, I hate to break it to you Hi-sec is more dangerous than null is at this point and has been up to now. You are talking about a surprise attack by a cloaked ship rather than a ship that for some reason is cloaked but is carrying a disco ball announcing its presence to everyone around it.

Hi-sec and Lo-sec people carry on all the time without the ability to identify that they are about to be ganked, why can't null sec residents?

Said it before you need to actively defend your systems not passively or reactively.


And the most dangerous PvP system in eve is Amamake a 0.4 losec system in heimatar, followed by Jita, the most dangerous Null system is HED-GP and that is fifth on the list hardly more dangerous than Hi-sec and defiately not more dangerous than empire.


The same way people will in a null sec will without local, using D-scan. Lo-sec is not a one alliance per system space, how else would you get things done.


If they obey the laws yes via wardecs, second depends on what they are carrying.

Without local you would have a better chance of surviving being afk in null and would be less likely to be attacked on undock unless they new before hand you were in ther.e You would be harder to track down if you got away as local wouldn't exist to tell them you were still in system. It would also be easier to counter attack a stationary enemy camping a station

Thanks :)

In other words, one guy to sit above a station 23.5/7, cloaked. One for each stargate. One for each wormhole. A "quick reaction force" sitting somewhere nearby just waiting for something to happen. And this is, of course, on a per system basis, multiply this by every system you own or want to protect.


How many people go through each of those systems pr day, and how many of those are ganked pr day? How many of them are ganked due to wardecs?


So you're actually going to say that hisec is inherently more dangerous than nullsec, even though in nullsec you're getting popped if the guy can catch you, whereas in hisec you can get ganked, but all you need to do to avoid this is generally to not fly around when there's a wardec on, and not fly a cargo which is expensive enough, and not steal from other people.

Yep. Hisec is inherently so much more dangerous than nullsec.


You wouldn't have a better chance of surviving being afk in null if local wasn't there, and since there could be a huge gang sitting outside a station without anyone knowing (unless, of course, you mandate that someone's only job in EVE is to sit undocked in a cloaked ship and watch the station 23.5/7. And one for each gate. And one for each wormhole. And unless you're in a cloaky ship, they can still see "is he somewhere in system".

Two reasons for Null sec only local.

1) Empire space is exactly that funded and controlled by huge empires of Triilions of people and a budget so large nothing of it's like has never been seen on this planet. NPC Null is just providing stations and therefore if they are not shelling out a cent on defense they are not likely to pay for a Local channel.
Sov space is provincial lawless space and although some Alliances have claimed them as their own the basic fact is that the ability to have empire features like Local should be out of the financial realms or technological capabilities of a few thousand players.

2) Null is by its definition lawless space in its current state Covert ops are not covert, Stealth ships are not stealthy and by its very nature local was not meant to be an intel source but has become the biggest intel provider in Null sec. In Hi sec and lo-sec gankers are hidden in the background of other characters where as the lawless nature of Null allows the eradication of all non blues in a system. This gives a supposed lawless wild area an advantage over supposedly safer areas.

I feel sorry for your loss

You do understand that if people couldn't use local to pull information about the people in the system, while in hi sec, that it would actually make people who live in hi sec safer right?

Doing the same thing in low and null would make people both safer, and at the exact same time make that space more dangerous.



In hi sec you use local to scout for people in worthwhile ships, without actually having to locate them first. You locate the target through local, and then find them.

In low and null you use it to see if there is a threat, not to find friendlys.


Keep the ability to chat in local, in all parts of space.
Remove the ability to pull the information about what the people in local are flying.
Add a short wave broadcast chanell if there isn't one already.
If you want to get more detailed information about an individual in local, you should have to open yourself up to them as much as they would have to open themselves up to you, by sending them a message and seeing if they respond.

For the Hives' continual claim to sovereignty. And to allow a safe place for its tax paying citizens to generate tax revenue. Those taxes could then be distributed to the defensive patrols or invested and multiplied for greater return.

Did you not read the post where I said if I had 9000 people behind me i'd burn Jita down weekly?

Of course I wouldn't announce it, and it would never be carried out on the same day as previous.

Removing local has no real effect on high sec law and order. It only affects war. One can die in a martyrdom operation in hisec with local as is because it can come from someone completely anonymous. Having no local wouldn't effect that one way or the other save for making the suicide ganker have to work to locate their target.

I honestly wish the orthodox carebears could see how much less likely they would be to die to a suicide gank with local removed. They overestimate how well seeing someone in hisec local is protecting them and underestimate how not having their presence revealed in hisec local would shelter them.