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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#481 - 2012-05-29 03:25:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
malcovas Henderson wrote:


You dont die, unless you choose. Well let me think why. Is it because when you WD, and they come to fight, you run and squeal back to the station? Is it because you never go into Null or WH's?. Is it because your only "Prey" is PVE.

You make me laugh, you really do. You have no experience in null, yet you seem to think you have all the answers to fix it. You have no experience in WH's, but seem to think It's mechanics are suitable to all of EVE. Your "prey" seems to be non PvP'ers, and you wonder why you cannot be killed.


Seriously dude. You have not even touched the tip of the iceberg of this game. PVP wise. Take what your OP thread Title says and practice what you preach. You want PVP without Local. then go to WH's. As I said you dont have to live in a WH to enter it. Go and see what removing local means. Then come back when you have experienced it.


Yes, Depends, No & No. That's for the first paragraph.

The second you're basically going on a rant, talking out of your rectum while making assumptions. It comes down to "If you abstain from NULL your ability to form a coherent sentence and argument is an impossibility." Im guessing you're about 17?

The third appears to be where you pretend you're the leader of some major alliance and that pvp or EVE in general changes somehow when you step through the next stargate. I suppose it does to a degree, in the sense that there are larger swarms of baddies waiting to gatecamp than the gate previous. Or that they can use bubbles and bigger ships to make it easier. I dont recall mentioning null exclusively but be assured whatever change I recommended for it would be infinitely better than one you could muster.

Its not rocket science Einstein. If it were, you wouldn't be out there.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#482 - 2012-05-29 03:45:27 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:


You dont die, unless you choose. Well let me think why. Is it because when you WD, and they come to fight, you run and squeal back to the station? Is it because you never go into Null or WH's?. Is it because your only "Prey" is PVE.

You make me laugh, you really do. You have no experience in null, yet you seem to think you have all the answers to fix it. You have no experience in WH's, but seem to think It's mechanics are suitable to all of EVE. Your "prey" seems to be non PvP'ers, and you wonder why you cannot be killed.


Seriously dude. You have not even touched the tip of the iceberg of this game. PVP wise. Take what your OP thread Title says and practice what you preach. You want PVP without Local. then go to WH's. As I said you dont have to live in a WH to enter it. Go and see what removing local means. Then come back when you have experienced it.


Yes, Depends, No & No. That's for the first paragraph.

The second you're basically going on a rant talking out of your rectum making assumptions. It comes down to "If you abstain from NULL your ability to form a coherent sentence and argument is an impossibility." Im guessing you're about 17?

The third appears to be where you pretend you're the leader of some major alliance and that pvp or EVE in general changes somehow when you step through the next stargate. I suppose it does to a degree in the sense there are larger swarms of baddies waiting to gatecamp than the gate previous and that they can use bubbles and bigger ships to make it easier. Its not rocket science Einstein. If it were you wouldn't be out there.



You can form any opinion. Opinions gained from experience, are more valued than Waffle from someone who never has. You should never delude yourself, that you opinions matter if you have never experienced. You scoff at the opinions of those that have at least some experience in these areas. whose is the mature one here?


Your third answer evades the whole question. Is that because you don't have a viable answer. WH's give you EXACTLY what you want. Yet you still REFUSE to acknowledge them as a completely viable source, for your playstyle. I can only imagine why this must be so. My best guess is that you still want soft targets to be your "Prey". If this is the case then your whole thread has not been for the good of EVE, but the benefits to yourself only.



o7
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#483 - 2012-05-29 03:48:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
malcovas Henderson wrote:

You can form any opinion. Opinions gained from experience, are more valued than Waffle from someone who never has. You should never delude yourself, that you opinions matter if you have never experienced. You scoff at the opinions of those that have at least some experience in these areas. whose is the mature one here?


Your third answer evades the whole question. Is that because you don't have a viable answer. WH's give you EXACTLY what you want. Yet you still REFUSE to acknowledge them as a completely viable source, for your playstyle. I can only imagine why this must be so. My best guess is that you still want soft targets to be your "Prey". If this is the case then your whole thread has not been for the good of EVE, but the benefits to yourself only.



o7


I have zero interest rehearsing the same non arguments with quite frankly, daft people. WH's dont give me exactly what I want and wouldn't change the premise even if they did. It's like justifying removing hisec pvp because you can do so in Losec. Or even removing Losec pvp because you can do it null. You can ask 99 more convoluted questions and i'm probably going to skip over them unless I find one that is poignant and merits taking the time to bother.
It's a forum discussion not an interview.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#484 - 2012-05-29 04:09:17 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:

You can form any opinion. Opinions gained from experience, are more valued than Waffle from someone who never has. You should never delude yourself, that you opinions matter if you have never experienced. You scoff at the opinions of those that have at least some experience in these areas. whose is the mature one here?


Your third answer evades the whole question. Is that because you don't have a viable answer. WH's give you EXACTLY what you want. Yet you still REFUSE to acknowledge them as a completely viable source, for your playstyle. I can only imagine why this must be so. My best guess is that you still want soft targets to be your "Prey". If this is the case then your whole thread has not been for the good of EVE, but the benefits to yourself only.



o7


I have zero interest rehearsing the same non arguments with quite frankly, daft people. WH's dont give me exactly what I want and wouldn't change the premise even if they did.



You have yet to give 1 single valid arguement against WH's. As I have said removing local from HI/low, and null, Would make them almost like WH's. Entering a system without local would be exactly the same as entering a WH. Now please tell me. What would be so different, that you prefer to stay in HI sec without local, for your kills, and getting themfrom a WH?

Admit it. Real PvP scares the **** out of you. Everything you have said, has led to this. You hide behind the security of HI sec. Your "prey" are soft targets. The Agent finder being your "local" (be it somewhat unreliable to a certain degree), is the only reason you can even ask for the removal of local. Without it, you wouldn't even be here.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#485 - 2012-05-29 04:11:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
malcovas Henderson wrote:
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You have yet to give 1 single valid arguement against WH's. As I have said removing local from HI/low, and null, Would make them almost like WH's. Entering a system without local would be exactly the same as entering a WH. Now please tell me. What would be so different, that you prefer to stay in HI sec without local, for your kills, and getting themfrom a WH?

Admit it. Real PvP scares the **** out of you. Everything you have said, has led to this. You hide behind the security of HI sec. Your "prey" are soft targets. The Agent finder being your "local" (be it somewhat unreliable to a certain degree), is the only reason you can even ask for the removal of local. Without it, you wouldn't even be here.


Because I market trade in Jita and having to leave the wormhole multiple times per hour would be unbearable. Consider the valid argument presented. The rest of your post is hot air. Its a fallacy known as Appeal to Ridicule.

Example: Hey guys look at his alliance. Its a big joke because it has no sovereignty but its members talk as if they are relevant to null sec.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#486 - 2012-05-29 04:23:01 UTC
In the interest of fairness I think you make a fair point about locater agents. Certainly worth considering a modification of but not so detrimental as to make the OP irrelevant.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#487 - 2012-05-29 05:41:38 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:


Because I market trade in Jita and having to leave the wormhole multiple times per hour would be unbearable. Consider the valid argument presented. The rest of your post is hot air. Its a fallacy known as Appeal to Ridicule.


Congratulations, you are the worst at Eve Online, both the internet spaceship game, and the forums.

Removing local is not the solution to your problem. Rolling a market alt and parking it in Jita so you can keep you PvP guy where the action is is what you need to do.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#488 - 2012-05-29 05:44:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:


Because I market trade in Jita and having to leave the wormhole multiple times per hour would be unbearable. Consider the valid argument presented. The rest of your post is hot air. Its a fallacy known as Appeal to Ridicule.


Congratulations, you are the worst at Eve Online, both the internet spaceship game, and the forums.

Removing local is not the solution to your problem. Rolling a market alt and parking it in Jita so you can keep you PvP guy where the action is is what you need to do.


Thats an interesting point of view. Tell me then, why do we need skill clones that go into the 100 million mark when we can all stop training and roll an alt to fill the niche? You think it might be because convenience and diversity are the motivation? Being able to do more than one activity on your toon is the whole point of classless character development. Also you didn't quite convey your smugness at appropriate levels, it came off as more angry.
Onyx Nyx
The Veldspar Protectorate
#489 - 2012-05-29 05:49:49 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:


Because I market trade in Jita and having to leave the wormhole multiple times per hour would be unbearable. Consider the valid argument presented. The rest of your post is hot air. Its a fallacy known as Appeal to Ridicule.


Congratulations, you are the worst at Eve Online, both the internet spaceship game, and the forums.

Removing local is not the solution to your problem. Rolling a market alt and parking it in Jita so you can keep you PvP guy where the action is is what you need to do.


Thats an interesting point of view. Tell me then why do we need skill clones that go into the 100 million mark when we can all stop training and roll an alt to fill the niche. You think it might be because convenience and diversity are the motivation? Being able to do more than one activity on your toon is the whole point of classless character development.


But then you got no right to complain either.

I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more.

  • Richard (http://www.lfgcomic.com/)
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#490 - 2012-05-29 05:50:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
@Onyx Nyx - I must have missed the EVE being free to play announcement, post a link?
Onyx Nyx
The Veldspar Protectorate
#491 - 2012-05-29 05:51:35 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
I must have missed the EVE being free to play announcement, post a link?


Here you go.

I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more.

  • Richard (http://www.lfgcomic.com/)
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#492 - 2012-05-29 05:53:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Onyx Nyx wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
I must have missed the EVE being free to play announcement, post a link?


Here you go.


I'm sorry your confused thats not free to play, thats work in exchange for gametime. As it so happens


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I believe thats 300+ in plex alone since December plus the sub and not counting the second account. And it would be more if i could actually enjoy the experience without the ridiculous local chat.

/Extra Smug
Onyx Nyx
The Veldspar Protectorate
#493 - 2012-05-29 06:00:00 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Onyx Nyx wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
I must have missed the EVE being free to play announcement, post a link?


Here you go.


I'm sorry your confused thats not free to play, thats work in exchange for gametime. As it so happens

RABBLE RABBLE



It is for me, enough to pay for my accounts and fund my pewpew.

I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more.

  • Richard (http://www.lfgcomic.com/)
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#494 - 2012-05-29 06:00:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Yeah its rabble rabble isn't it? Without players like me you'd not have that opportunity. Remember that.
Onyx Nyx
The Veldspar Protectorate
#495 - 2012-05-29 06:06:25 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Yeah its rabble rabble isn't it?


And $309 later and you are still not wiser.

Hilarity ensues.

I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more.

  • Richard (http://www.lfgcomic.com/)
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#496 - 2012-05-29 06:08:08 UTC
Onyx Nyx wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Yeah its rabble rabble isn't it?


And $309 later and you are still not wiser.

Hilarity ensues.


Peanut Butter with your Jelly? I can afford to give you some, no charge.
Frying Doom
#497 - 2012-05-29 06:09:57 UTC
The whole free to pay bit would be funny, if it wasn't so sad that people seem to think plex's just magically appear.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#498 - 2012-05-29 06:13:57 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:


Because I market trade in Jita and having to leave the wormhole multiple times per hour would be unbearable. Consider the valid argument presented. The rest of your post is hot air. Its a fallacy known as Appeal to Ridicule.


Congratulations, you are the worst at Eve Online, both the internet spaceship game, and the forums.

Removing local is not the solution to your problem. Rolling a market alt and parking it in Jita so you can keep you PvP guy where the action is is what you need to do.


Thats an interesting point of view. Tell me then, why do we need skill clones that go into the 100 million mark when we can all stop training and roll an alt to fill the niche. You think it might be because convenience and diversity are the motivation? Being able to do more than one activity on your toon is the whole point of classless character development. Also you didn't quite convey your smugness at appropriate levels, it came off as more angry.




You combined a station based profession with a space based profession, now your PvP abilities are hobbled by having to run back to market multiple times an hour.

Meanwhile, everyone else is left scratching there heads because they trained their characters more sensibly, and can enjoy the markets of Jita and the danger of null/w-space without hassle.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#499 - 2012-05-29 06:17:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
[quote=Caliph Muhammed]

You combined a station based profession with a space based profession, now your PvP abilities are hobbled by having to run back to market multiple times an hour.

Meanwhile, everyone else is left scratching there heads because they trained their characters more sensibly, and can enjoy the markets of Jita and the danger of null/w-space without hassle.


If I deleted every non combat skill off of my toon i'd still prefer the population of hisec. I answer to no one and have all the positives with zero logistics issues. And none of that has any relevance to pvp being fundamentally broken and a boring campfest because of local. Just because wormholes are a potential less optimal replacement for just local chat doesn't make it a non issue. All of the people i'd wish to attack wouldn't so happen to live in my wormhole or even wormholes in general.

And everyone isnt in disagreement with me. 40 so far have liked the post while I don't think a disagreeing post in the thread has recieved 10 yet. The truth is most people worry about retaliation for posting their ideas or find it unenjoyable to respond to critique.
steejans nix
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#500 - 2012-05-29 07:04:55 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
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I must admit I not read a lot of this thread but skimmed the first few pages only I not see you ask for locator agents to be removed or watchlist's to be gotten rid of along with local for balance purposes?

Is this an oversight or intended on you're part, because if you take away the mechanics which the wardecced can see if they being hunted ( which already is a joke btw with all the neutral scouts ) and leave in the mechanics the wardeccers have to find there targets, oh and don't trip out the targets can use locator agents line, it a lot diferent to see where you're target is to start the hunt, than it is to find out where ONE of you're enemies are and you got to wait to find out a agent guessing at where he is as it's delayed for some minuites.


Also how do you manage now to pvp and go to jita several times an hour now to alter market orders ?

A market alt would seem to solve all you're problems, would allow you to alter market orders several times an hour and still experience the local free fighting you desire, also everyone in there would be a target for you.