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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#461 - 2012-05-29 00:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Milton Middleson wrote:
A self-diagnosed sociopath is hurling florid verbiage at me in an attempt to divert attention away from the discrepancies between what he claims to want and what his suggestions and in-game activities reveal about his genuine desires. I am mortified.

Literally anything in EVE would be more hardcore and visceral than what you are doing right now. Miners and mission-runners take more risks than you do. So for you to claim that I or anyone else can't hack in a really hardcore game is utterly risible.


Not a hulk kill on my killboard and any industrials you might find were by happenstance that they undocked in war in that ship.

Try again, harder. Only this time use something you can validate and prove.

All of which have no relevance on whether local is breaking/hindering everything I mentioned in the OP.

Also Im curious as to how you know my sociopathy is self diagnosed? Trust in Karn the lonely, teenaged, "Jewish-American" who pretends to be a professional by quoting summaries he read on a website?
Frying Doom
#462 - 2012-05-29 01:00:28 UTC
Milton Middleson wrote:
A self-diagnosed sociopath is hurling florid verbiage at me in an attempt to divert attention away from the discrepancies between what he claims to want and what his suggestions and in-game activities reveal about his genuine desires. I am mortified.

Literally anything in EVE would be more hardcore and visceral than what you are doing right now. Miners and mission-runners take more risks than you do. So for you to claim that I or anyone else can't hack in a really hardcore game is utterly risible.

A persons play style does not dictate his actual personality (see all the arguments made around The Mittani's playing style). Because someone wants change to a particular part of this game may in no way mean that they are just trying to line their own pockets.

Some people may actually see beyond there own selfishness and actually care about the game and would like to see its population grow rather than just stagnate or drop.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#463 - 2012-05-29 01:02:57 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:

Thats just it, they didn't log in. By doing so they didn't agree to anything. Also if you had read my post properly, suggestions are a viable source of input, against something. Especially when the voice of the majority (lets say forum dwellers) is against it too.

o7

So now you are saying peoples computers started to fry because they thought about incarna.

By that idea we would have a suggestion box on the eve site and the forums would just be Role playing and market checks and CCP could "mediate" them to their hearts content.



Oh WOW!!!!, Did I really say "peoples computers started to fry because they thought about incarna"? Really?. Oh my oh my oh my. How silly of me. What I really meant to say was "Thats just it, they didn't log in. By doing so they didn't agree to anything"

vOv
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#464 - 2012-05-29 01:06:29 UTC
Go ahead ignore my post. I would too when everything you claim I am is proven false by an api from the begining of the characters creation on Bclinic and EvEkill.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#465 - 2012-05-29 01:17:49 UTC
He uses his PvP character for all his market work. He wants hardcore and dangerous gameplay, but also wants casual and unrestricted access to markets. There are over 2000 systems in the game that offer the feature he desires, but he chooses not to use them for reasons that are often contradictory or uninformed.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#466 - 2012-05-29 01:19:26 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
I'll stop dismissing points when one is actually made.

Let's see if you can provide us with a proper, factual dismissal of these points:
Lord Zim wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
The answer to your convoluted question zim is how many of my ships and friends would I take along with me to do it.

So let's see if I've got this right. Most people who are running plexes in nullsec (at between 50 and 75m/hour) are currently running them in PVE-fitted ships (which according to you isn't necessary). But to do the same job in a PVP-fitted ship, you'd have to bring more people, which splits the reward between two (or more) people, so we're down to less isk/hour than L4s. Which means we'd both be better off having a L4 char in empire for when we need to do some isk-making.

Then we add your local changes (or rather just the removal thereof, since you never come up with anything other than "REMOVE LOCAL EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!"), and we have to add a char or a guy on each gate to watch for roaming gangs, which further degrades the isk/hour figure, making L4s even more attractive.

Which brings me back to my assertation of a few days ago: just removing local will depopulate null and lowsec even further, and make the use of NPC corps or neutral alts even more prevalent in hisec during warsdecs. Which'll mean less people to shoot out in null and lowsec, and even less effective wardecs in hisec.

Unless, of course, you're going to keep harping on about how "I'm wrong" and "the population would increase", in while totally ignoring all the empiric evidence which has been shown just the last year or so alone, f.ex through what happened in null after the anom buff (people moved out to nullsec), after the anom nerf (people moved back to hisec to do L4s), and also given what happened to incursions after the incursion nerf (incursions are apparently somewhat deserted now, compared to when they were choc full, just because the isk/hour went down).

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#467 - 2012-05-29 01:23:24 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:

Thats just it, they didn't log in. By doing so they didn't agree to anything. Also if you had read my post properly, suggestions are a viable source of input, against something. Especially when the voice of the majority (lets say forum dwellers) is against it too.

o7

So now you are saying peoples computers started to fry because they thought about incarna.

By that idea we would have a suggestion box on the eve site and the forums would just be Role playing and market checks and CCP could "mediate" them to their hearts content.



Oh WOW!!!!, Did I really say "peoples computers started to fry because they thought about incarna"? Really?. Oh my oh my oh my. How silly of me. What I really meant to say was "Thats just it, they didn't log in. By doing so they didn't agree to anything"

vOv

No I said it caused people computers to fry.

So the basis of your argument seems to be that people should have used suggestions to complain about incarna with out ever having used the product in question?

Once again we are back to beliefs. I believe that if you haven't even logged into the game you really shouldn't complain about it. Bit like going into a new restaurant and asking to speak to the manager because the food is utter crap, before you have even ordered.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#468 - 2012-05-29 01:27:44 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
So the basis of your argument seems to be that people should have used suggestions to complain about incarna with out ever having used the product in question?

Once again we are back to beliefs. I believe that if you haven't even logged into the game you really shouldn't complain about it. Bit like going into a new restaurant and asking to speak to the manager because the food is utter crap, before you have even ordered.

"I want a game about spaceships"
*gets an expansion about virtual pants which costs more than real pants*

Gee. I wonder how one could possibly complain about incarna without ever having used it. It boggles the mind.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#469 - 2012-05-29 01:32:58 UTC
My signature says it all really.
Frying Doom
#470 - 2012-05-29 01:34:35 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So the basis of your argument seems to be that people should have used suggestions to complain about incarna with out ever having used the product in question?

Once again we are back to beliefs. I believe that if you haven't even logged into the game you really shouldn't complain about it. Bit like going into a new restaurant and asking to speak to the manager because the food is utter crap, before you have even ordered.

"I want a game about spaceships"
*gets an expansion about virtual pants which costs more than real pants*

Gee. I wonder how one could possibly complain about incarna without ever having used it. It boggles the mind.

Was the Nex price list ever published by an EvE dev blog?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#471 - 2012-05-29 01:38:14 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So the basis of your argument seems to be that people should have used suggestions to complain about incarna with out ever having used the product in question?

Once again we are back to beliefs. I believe that if you haven't even logged into the game you really shouldn't complain about it. Bit like going into a new restaurant and asking to speak to the manager because the food is utter crap, before you have even ordered.

"I want a game about spaceships"
*gets an expansion about virtual pants which costs more than real pants*

Gee. I wonder how one could possibly complain about incarna without ever having used it. It boggles the mind.

Was the Nex price list ever published by an EvE dev blog?

I don't know, I'm not going to bother spending time finding out. You know why? Because there's this thing called "reading the negative press in other news outlets".

Which, I presume, is a place where it's more likely that more people actually read about the expansion than in a devblog.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#472 - 2012-05-29 01:40:35 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Also Im curious as to how you know my sociopathy is self diagnosed? Trust in Karn the lonely, teenaged, "Jewish-American" who pretends to be a professional by quoting summaries he read on a website?


I'm sorry but what does the fact that he is a Jewish American have to do with anything? You should be very careful here as I or others may see this as being anti-Semitic and harassment of another player.

I think the reason that you are not getting the responses that you like is a result of you being confused.

Earlier in this very thread you made this claim:

Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Currently in EVE not a single soul should die unless they choose to. That's not hardcore. Thats inane.


I think this is a statement based on some players "risk-averse" mentality.

Further in the thread you made this claim directed towards Lord Zim:

Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Zim I don't die unless I choose to


So you don't die unless you choose to but don't want other people to have that choice?

The gist of this entire diatribe of yours in no different than carebear whining. You want something to make the game better for YOU without regard for its effects on others.

While I do not in any way agree with the opinion you have presented here, I do recognize and respect your right to that opinion.

Enjoy your day.


"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#473 - 2012-05-29 01:46:21 UTC
What's more hilarious is if you push him on why he's not using wormholes, he starts whining about how hard it is to update his market orders from within the wormhole, how much work it is to deal with POSes etc, only to turn around and basically demand that the entirety of the eve universe must do much more work to even have a modicum of chance to even get back to a station intact, for absolutely no increase in reward.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#474 - 2012-05-29 01:57:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So the basis of your argument seems to be that people should have used suggestions to complain about incarna with out ever having used the product in question?

Once again we are back to beliefs. I believe that if you haven't even logged into the game you really shouldn't complain about it. Bit like going into a new restaurant and asking to speak to the manager because the food is utter crap, before you have even ordered.

"I want a game about spaceships"
*gets an expansion about virtual pants which costs more than real pants*

Gee. I wonder how one could possibly complain about incarna without ever having used it. It boggles the mind.

Was the Nex price list ever published by an EvE dev blog?

I don't know, I'm not going to bother spending time finding out. You know why? Because there's this thing called "reading the negative press in other news outlets".

Which, I presume, is a place where it's more likely that more people actually read about the expansion than in a devblog.

So taking hearsay rather than facts. The media quite often get things wrong. I personally wouldn't like to base an argument entirely on hearsay I had read from a news outlet.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#475 - 2012-05-29 02:20:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Also Im curious as to how you know my sociopathy is self diagnosed? Trust in Karn the lonely, teenaged, "Jewish-American" who pretends to be a professional by quoting summaries he read on a website?


I'm sorry but what does the fact that he is a Jewish American have to do with anything? You should be very careful here as I or others may see this as being anti-Semitic and harassment of another player.

I think the reason that you are not getting the responses that you like is a result of you being confused.

Earlier in this very thread you made this claim:

Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Currently in EVE not a single soul should die unless they choose to. That's not hardcore. Thats inane.


I think this is a statement based on some players "risk-averse" mentality.

Further in the thread you made this claim directed towards Lord Zim:

Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Zim I don't die unless I choose to


So you don't die unless you choose to but don't want other people to have that choice?

The gist of this entire diatribe of yours in no different than carebear whining. You want something to make the game better for YOU without regard for its effects on others.

While I do not in any way agree with the opinion you have presented here, I do recognize and respect your right to that opinion.

Enjoy your day.





In Karns numerous trolls he made sure to invoke his jewishness on many occasions. I merely highlighted what he wanted everyone to know.

I don't die unless I choose to because local makes not dying trivially easy. Do I really need to elaborate on that point? I mean really? Choice in that context isn't a desire but a matter of common sense. I would LOVE to die. But as it stands i'd have to be braindead to do so without allowing it to happen.

Yes, I have no problem upsetting people who's gameplay revolves around keeping EVE a **** poor attempt at being a hardcore game when its in fact a softcore campfest. May they all quit and be replaced by people who would make the game fun and worthwhile instead of the tedious shitpile it currently is.

Labeling my "diatribe" carebear whining may work when you're preaching to the choir but anyone with a shred of intellect, like the almost 50 people who have liked it so far know different. Your "diatribe" is no different than the rest of the candyass scrub muffins trying to defend their position without evidence save for you choose words that give you a softer demeanor.

Here's a brutal fact. The mindset of the people who fall on your side of the fence aren't wanted and never really we're. However, money brings out the worst in people and they will sell their own soul for more of it. EVE requires a certain personaility to enjoy and CCP higher ups aren't content with building that type of playerbase up. Its a slow process so they try and cater to a degree to your side. You're a cashcow. Tell me, if its untrue, why on earth can you be suicide ganked and war deced to begin with? You figure it out.
Frying Doom
#476 - 2012-05-29 02:22:46 UTC
Hear Hear :)

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#477 - 2012-05-29 02:34:06 UTC
Mors Sanctitatis wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Get rid of local, all secs. It fixes almost everything. You would have to work to locate a target. You would have to work to avoid a target. There would be risk in high sec. There would be risk in all secs.

Freighters could be caught during a war dec. Freighters could get through during a war dec.

You would still have Concord retaliation in high sec. You could still be camped, though if you break the camp it would be harder to hunt you down. Certainly no worse that what we have now but with compelling gameplay.

It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks of which people complain about.

It would make neutral alts almost irrelevant. Though not 100%. It would certainly make playing with one account a lot less of a disadvantage. Sure you might lose a few alt account subs, but you would gain many more subs by having more compelling gameplay. What good is a scout profession when they're revealed as soon as they enter system?

The changes the expansion are bringing aren't going to revitalize low sec or null sec and its certainly not going to promote or fuel war. Quite the opposite.

The devs and the playerbase talk a lot about EVE being hardcore, but as of yet i'm not really seeing the hardcore aspect to the game.

The game is a boring campfest. Removing local removes that to a large degree.

To my ultra Orthodox carebear players, uncle Caliphy isn't throwing you under the bus. The threats you worry about occuring with this change would actually be resolvable by a merc corporation. If you are decced and you hire a merc the merc cannot sneak up on the enemy with everything displayed for them. They may be able to make your tormentors life a little more difficult but in most cases can't force a fight under those conditions. With no local they could. If you are camped by a griefdec and you hire a reasonably sized merc to help you the griefer will never see them coming. It's win/win.

Even null entry points would be camped far less. Lets see the thirty man bubble camp consistently do it when a 150 man roaming gang warps in on them and they never see it coming.

Local is holding EVE back. Period. Get rid of it and let EVE become great.



I'm glad you think so.

I think that you would benefit from reading the thread in my signature: Intelligence shouldn't be free. Please let me know what you think of it.


Mors posted this on Page 17. With a link to his thread - Intelligence shouldn't be free.

He also asked you to give him some feedback on it. It was actually a decent read and I like the potential it presents. I, like Mors, am curious about what your thoughts are on this concept. The idea the Recon hulls would be used for... recon was very compelling.

+1 Mors - some good food for thought.

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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#478 - 2012-05-29 02:36:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Perhaps I will. But i'm happy with EVEs gameplay as is save for local chat. Its game breaking, immersion wrecking, amateur and needs to go.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#479 - 2012-05-29 02:47:28 UTC  |  Edited by: malcovas Henderson
Caliph Muhammed wrote:



In Karns numerous trolls he made sure to invoke his jewishness on many occasions. I merely highlighted what he wanted everyone to know.

I don't die unless I choose to because local makes not dying trivially easy. Do I really need to elaborate on that point? I mean really? Choice in that context isn't a desire but a matter of common sense. I would LOVE to die. But as it stands i'd have to be braindead to do so without allowing it to happen.

Yes, I have no problem upsetting people who's gameplay revolves around keeping EVE a **** poor attempt at being a hardcore game when its in fact a softcore campfest. May they all quit and be replaced by people who would make the game fun and worthwhile instead of the tedious shitpile it currently is.

Labeling my "diatribe" carebear whining may work when you're preaching to the choir but anyone with a shred of intellect, like the almost 50 people who have liked it so far know different. Your "diatribe" is no different than the rest of the candyass scrub muffins trying to defend their position without evidence save for you choose words that give you a softer demeanor.



You dont die, unless you choose. Well let me think why. Is it because when you WD, and they come to fight, you run and squeal back to the station? Is it because you never go into Null or WH's?. Is it because your only "Prey" is PVE.

You make me laugh, you really do. You have no experience in null, yet you seem to think you have all the answers to fix it. You have no experience in WH's, but seem to think It's mechanics are suitable to all of EVE. Your "prey" seems to be non PvP'ers, and you wonder why you cannot be killed.


Seriously dude. You have not even touched the tip of the iceberg of this game. PVP wise. Take what your OP thread Title says and practice what you preach. You want PVP without Local. then go to WH's. As I said you dont have to live in a WH to enter it. Go and see what removing local means. Then come back when you have experienced it.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#480 - 2012-05-29 03:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
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