Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Decshield isn't gone, its been made the default. Though now it should be called Costshield. Sell that propaganda to a fool. As for the devs losing their jobs if they dont turn eve into a carebear heaven, what a crock. If the devs keep releasing mediocre patches as expansions every 6 months while at the same time leaving the game the campfest it is they wont have any pvpers left but those in alliances. Your carebear demographic isnt what keeps EVE alive. And shooting red Xs only lasts for so long. My subs up on the 30th, not a single aspect of the expansion makes me want to resub. Will I? Maybe. I like the company of my friends but long term its doubtful. It has nothing at all to do with it being challenging and everything to do with being a mediocre sub par experience.


Out of curiousity whats the cost for decing euni now per week?

Cloaking OP versus ratters and miners. Really think about the stupidty in that remark. Curse you for quoting him.

A mining ship isn't a combat ship so I would hope that the covops is the stronger combat option. As for """ratters""" what on earth type of """ratter""" has a ship that covert ops dps can manhandle? If he means more than 1 then the ratter should die.

What utter rubbish. Its that plea to ignorance that is so prevalent in MMOs especially pvp centric ones and even moreso ones with a non combat class that leads to the mediocre gameplay we have now.

If you choose a non combat profession and die in combat, hey genius, its working as intended. Now do as you do, disregard that logic. Find something else that can reasonably be mistaken for a coherent argument..

I'd offer a can of htfu but it would be like pissing on a volcano. We need kegs of htfu for most.

BTW wtf is a ratter? Is that just another way of describing the phenomenon of the player using the highest DPS ship they've trained for and hunting belt rats or is there a special ship/skillset that ive overlooked that makes it somehow less capable of being rigged for pvp and pve? I personally think its a codeword for "Miners With Guns."

I give you props for one thing Zim. You make a fine strawman. You even go a step further and create a victim class from the strawman. Then you argue for pacifying the game on behalf of the creation.

Most people are sheep and easily manipulated. Its sad really. Try harder.

Now, see, you seem to have an attitude to the game I can work with.


I'm a bit torn on this one, because it would have an impact on WHs, and I wouldn't necessarily want to impact them just to tick off the "remove local" checkbox.

However, if we presume that there'll be added a ship (or a module, I've no idea what CCP are thinking at this point) for hunting cloaked ships, then there's the question of how that should work. System-wide, or within, say, 15AU. The problem with the former is that you again ruin the whole "cloaked ships are covert" idea, and the problem with the latter is you end up with f.ex having to have a cloaker hunter following every ratter around and being very, very diligent absolutely all the time, and still only getting a few seconds warning as the cloaked ships are about to land on you.

It's a tough balancing act, and what makes it worse is that the guy doing the anti-cloaking thing would most likely be unable to make money himself so he'd either have to fleet up (which would cut the payout for the guys ratting, if we're talking about mining then there's no mechanic for automatically making sure it's worth his time), or they'd have to agree on a wage for his job. Also, keep in mind that we're talking about a job which'd most likely be even more boring than shooting red crosses and mining, and it probably won't take much before the thoughts "why don't I do L4s instead, and have a much more relaxing time?" pop up. So, it's a tough balancing act.


I won't deny that I've often wanted to have a tool for hunting down people who do absolutely nothing except log in, press cloak, and then leave the client in the background.


The problem with this question is that it's a pretty hard nut to crack. On the one hand you need to be able to function without spending all your life in the game just to try to keep everything safeish (and still **** up from time to time), on the other hand there's being able to glance at local and see if there are reds or not (and still **** up from time to time), or ask in intel if it's clear (and get bad/outdated intel from time to time, or no intel because nobody's there, and **** up).

Add to all this the fact that most alliances have spies in most other alliances, and the problem of "getting a fleet's location" isn't really the huge problem that it once was.


Spoken like someone who has absolutely no clue on how to use f.ex a purifier to kill a ratting/plexing ship. Or, he knows, he just wants us to believe it's impossible. Given how most of the killmails of his I've seen (2+ T3's vs a single BS), I'm inclined to believe he honestly doesn't know.

Yeah in capable hands a warp disruptor. I know that post punched hard but if you want to avoid it don't respond at all. Stop trying to alienate me. In case you havent figured it out yet it doesn't work. And in most cases the people you draw for support aren't any more up for the job than you are.

oh OP, you make me laugh.

Funny how you avoided talking about plexes.

have a cookie!
this thread is just a competition between 5 or so people for who is the worst poster and has the worst ideas. I must say, the competition is very tight

If nullsec is so full of carebears like you EVE is an even bigger fraud than I first thought. But we both know you dont represent anyone but yourself.

And you didnt mention plexing ( or rather the purifier)until after I replied. Zim you fail. Bottomline is if you didnt weasel your way into Goonswarm you'd be in hisec getting punked on the regular.

Okay. Go to nullsec and do a plex in your version of a PVE fitted ship, then.

I'll just be over here, waiting for the lossmail.


So, uh, when I said "a ratting/plexing ship" , that was me "not mentioning it"?

Since when is nullsec a "PvP-only" zone?