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Silly new player mistakes and how to avoid them

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Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2011-09-16 23:42:37 UTC
Get blown up a lot. Don't be afraid to go to low/null and get into fights. People say you need x ship or x skills to get into pvp or whatever. They're lying. You might die a lot but t1 frigs are easy to come by.

Fight solo, fight with groups, blob people, be blobbed, fight outnumbered and win, fight outnumbered and lose, ect ect. Eve is the only worthwhile game left that has open world loot dropping pvp. Go PVP!!

On the PVE side, do whatever you want, don't let people tell you "you need this ship before you run level 4's blah blah". If you enjoy running level fours in your battlecruiser or whatever then do so.

Realise there's plenty of other ways to make isk in pve combat other than doing lvl 4's. Null sec plexing can be fun, and no you don't have to be in a null sec corp/alliance to do so.

S'all I got for now.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

Hanius Valm
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#62 - 2011-09-16 23:53:26 UTC
At first in eve its tempting to want to try everything: You want to mine and build (or craft as some wow transfer students call it initially) your own ships, mission run, live in worm hole space because you read a neat article about it, etc etc. You've got skills training left right and center for refining, for guns, for missiles, for that cool looking interceptor. You've got aspirations to get into lvl4 missions, and at the same time corner some undeveloped section of the market.

My advice is this, focus on one area initally: missions. When you first start out its the easiest way to make isk, and while doing this learn about the other areas of the game. I learnt the hard way that all those hours sunk into skilling for my first hulk were worthless as I could earn more doing missions in a raven.

Sink skill points into boosting a progressive line of combat ships first (eg kestrel, caracal, drake, raven), and their related weapon system, in this case missile skills, as well as some social skills to advance you up the npc corp standings faster. Those skillpoints will never be wasted. Tech 2 strip miners, you might later wish you hadn't bothered with. Don't cross train races at this point, if you play the game long enough you most probably will end up doing so. But save that for when all those core skills to do with cap, extending you shield, battlecruiser, etc are all at lvl 5. It may seem like ages, but its worth it in the long haul.

People will tell you fly this race, or this race is better for pvp. Its a never ending arguement. The fact of the matter is early in the game a well skilled focused player will bring more to a gang, than one trying to get into both a hurricane and an abaddon simultanously.

Get a good bit of experience playing the game before delving into other areas besides missions, you can sink alot of isk, your free time, and skillpoints into something only to realise, oh dear, I was earning more isk per hour running lvl 3's in my drake. One exception being pvp, once you can fly a frigate with some mediocre lvl 4 skills, and understand some basic game mechanics like session timers you'll add to any fleet.

Always have a good mission runner ship and agent in empire to fall back on, loose as many ships as you want, grind and fit out an expensive WH plexer for example, but always have that one ship and an agent to return to so you can grind up more isk if you next big throw of the dice doesn't work.

And above treat Jita local like the spam filter in your email inbox, ignore it completely. Don't even read it, no good can come of clicking on a spam mail, and the same is true of all local contracts.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#63 - 2011-09-17 01:05:12 UTC
CCP Fallout wrote:
So, I was thinking about what it was like for me when I was truly new at EVE Online, and the little silly mistakes that I made that now, as a veteran player, I laugh at myself over.

I'm talking about spending a week trying to find the old Villard Wheel that never existed. Oh, was that not the best mission ever =P

But I think one of my biggest silly mistakes was assuming that it would be bad for me if I took every single mission that I was offered. This meant that I was trying to do missions that I really wasn't qualified to do. For example: taking missions where the final item was too large for my hold, or missions where my ship and/or fit wasn't the best thing to use, and not learning that after rather gorgeous explosions, I probably should upgrade from my very low-end ships and modules.

Think back to when you were a noob. What silly mistakes did you make, and how would you advise new players to avoid making them?


I didn't go to 0.0 until I was almost 3 months into the game. I should have done it at least a month sooner.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#64 - 2011-09-17 01:20:17 UTC
Get ready to die! A lot!
:D
Ignore these 'don't take from yellow can' messages...what they mean is; 'If you take from a can, be aware of the possible consequences.'
This covers a lot, actually; shoot, buy, steal, fly whatever and go wherever you want, just try to be aware of the possible consequences. Eve has little in the way of morality ( excepting what players choose or can enforce with power ) but it really can have devastating and entertaining consequences.

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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#65 - 2011-09-17 01:40:28 UTC
Blindly autopiloting and therefore ended up in 0.0 without realizing it. I had my first taste of a gate camp back then.

Falling for a can-flipping trap was also my second hard-learned lesson.

Adapt or Die

Erudius
#66 - 2011-09-17 05:09:26 UTC
First,

If CCP announces that normal daily downtime is going to be longer for some sort of update, maintenance, etc...

Set a LONG Training Skill

...things happen and unfortunately the "hamsters" stop spinning the wheels once in a while.

Second,

If you are unsure about what to train (new characters always have lots of short time frame skills), find a skill that takes longer than 24 hours and set it up at the END of your training queue.

You can always add/remove short training time skills above it. This gives you flexibility of ALWAYS having something training while you plan your character

Third,

Have Fun! The Universe is YOURS!!!

http://youtu.be/PY8fjFKAC5k

Johanna Tychi
Alcoholic Heavy Industries
#67 - 2011-09-17 05:45:32 UTC
I didn't know until the ISK podcast pointed me to it, that you can queue invention jobs in laboratories. until then, i thought that i have to wait for the research spots, once used by someone else to be liberated once again.
le chatlier
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2011-09-17 06:02:15 UTC
CCP Fallout wrote:
So, I was thinking about what it was like for me when I was truly new at EVE Online, and the little silly mistakes that I made that now, as a veteran player, I laugh at myself over.

I'm talking about spending a week trying to find the old Villard Wheel that never existed. Oh, was that not the best mission ever =P


I made that mission even better. My first character was a caldari (CCP should REALLY have made the amarr/minnie image-ry more awesome than some monks walking around a temple somewhere/some ferals living on a pile of rust that didn't even have a cockpit in it, should have featured pewpew lasers and loadsaguns images more) and fresh from being a warcrack addict, I thought that I could shoot that brutix parked 5km up from SAK HQ with all the drones out. I found out about CONCORDOKKEN twice, and then failed the villard wheels mission because my stuff got blown up :(

why'd you get rid of it ccp? villard wheels are what made newb corp chat so much fun Smile

at least we still have THE DEVICE! Big smile
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#69 - 2011-09-17 06:40:22 UTC
A more succinct way to phrase the trust issue:

"Never trust someone you can't punch."

http://www.wormholes.info

Xer Jin
XER'S LONE SOLOS CLUB
#70 - 2011-09-17 06:51:00 UTC
Just cause you can get that next lvl mission dosent mean you should do it ^^ helps to make a friend and do the mission together join my Corp "the Dex" we will help too
Kristopher Arione
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#71 - 2011-09-17 07:48:41 UTC
I learned to use containers when transporting expensive goods, In my second week I was suicide ganked in Jita carrying 7 cladari navy cruise launchers in a frigate. I was cargo scanned on my trip back to the trade hub. I had bough them t for cheap (300 mil for then then 450 mil of launchers) a few systems over in preparation for my battleship skill and my shiny navy raven a friend had gifted to me. Also never to auto pilot with cargo
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#72 - 2011-09-17 08:21:22 UTC
If you jump right into pvp and keep lossing SP's it means you just spent your first year never updating your bloody clone.Roll

Yes I did that for my first year lossing sp's every time I got poded becouse I did not update my clone.

So update your clone and stay on top of it. Hell if I get with in 1mil of the cap of my clone I update it now lol.

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#73 - 2011-09-17 08:38:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Keep in mind that you have two more chars on your account.

Sure, when starting, there is soooo much to train on your main that putting time to train alts up seems a waste, but for me, it wasn´t until six months that I got around to invest a month to train two market alts up. In the following month, I earned about half the money I had made those six months before.

Even better, a half decent station-trading market alt can be trained in less than a week, all you need is Trade and Retail for the slots and Accounting and Broker Relations to lower the transaction costs. Finally Margin Trading will allow you to make the most of your money.
Learn about the market mechanics (why are some buy orders green? Lol), find good market places and a few good trading items and you have a nice passive income.

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Agnor BooK
Perkone
Caldari State
#74 - 2011-09-17 08:51:20 UTC
1. Train the core competency skills early, I spent a good long time not being able to fit most of what I wanted because I only paid attention to the ship command skills and weapons.

2. Just because you can fly a ship doesn't mean you can do anything with it. Learn to fit your ship for what you want to do. PVE? Fit for the mission. PVP? Change your fit or you'll probably lose fast.
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#75 - 2011-09-17 08:59:19 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


I didn't go to 0.0 until I was almost 3 months into the game. I should have done it at least a month sooner.


I made the exact opposite mistake (well, I wouldn't call it a mistake, really, just a suboptimal choice) -- I went to 0.0 after 2 weeks in the game and spent the next month trying to train the skills for at least a half-baked Raven fit. Took me a week before I could clear even a single a belt spawn.

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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#76 - 2011-09-17 09:03:47 UTC
Your drones can be controlled using keyboard shortcuts. There are various other keyboard shortcuts which will make your life so so so much easier.
I only flew Gallente drone boats for two months before I found out Ugh

Look for a nice corp as soon as you can. If it turns out they suck, just leave and find a better one.

Best guide to EVE, if it's too good to be true, you're going to get scammed/betrayed/blown up/ransomed/robbed. Pirate
Acki Juc
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#77 - 2011-09-17 09:11:35 UTC
Make sure your scout knows what he's doing so your entire fleet doesn't land in a bubble and get smartbombed to death.
Isis Tavore
Perkone
Caldari State
#78 - 2011-09-17 09:13:54 UTC
Probably repeating most of the above:

1) Avoid Rancer like the plague, and don't be a clever arse thinking you can sneak through it at 4am GMT. Americans are there. Americans are waiting. To shoot you in the face.

2) Join a decent Corp as quickly as you can. Improves your game immeasurably.

3) Avoid mining unless you have a very high boredom threshold.

4) Don't break your arm building a garden wall, as you won't be able to play the game for a while. Although, it does make waiting for Heavy Missiles V to complete much easier.
Angel Scott
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2011-09-17 09:15:55 UTC
Read Sun Tzu: The Art of War.

That is all.
malaire
#80 - 2011-09-17 09:59:41 UTC
If you see ISK-making opporturnity which requires initial investment, never go for it unless you can afford to lose that initial investment. There are many kinds of scams around, and it takes time to learn them all. So don't fly what you can't afford to lose and also don't invest what you can't afford to lose.

Also: Don't read Jita-local. It is full of scams and at least in the beginning you most likely won't have enough knowledge to understand them all. I lost 300 mil when I thought I understood it better than scammer ...

There was contract in Jita local selling certain rare item for big sum, maybe 400 mil, and it was advertised as great deal. Of course I knew contracts in Jita-local are usually scams, so I checked market price of that item. Someone was selling the item there for only 300 mil, and I also saw buy order at over 300 mil. So I realized that contract was overpriced and I could make quick profit if I instead buy it from market at 100 mil cheaper price, and then sell.

So I bought it, and tried to sell. But I couldn't. I doublechecked that buy order, and realized that I need 9 of those items before I can sell and of course there weren't so many items in whole region. Checking market history I saw that the item I now had was only worth maybe 20 mil ISK. (Later I learned about Margin Trading scamming, and that even with 9 such items I could not have sold them.)

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