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Silly new player mistakes and how to avoid them

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Sered Woollahra
No Fixed Abode
Solyaris Chtonium
#81 - 2011-09-17 10:57:53 UTC
It took me a few days before I realized that only wrecks with solid triangles held loot Oops

It took me a while before I realized I should stick with one NPC corp to run missions for, in order to progress to higher levels sooner.

I sold everything I looted for the highest bid price instead of seeing what the real market value was..

It took me too long to find a good newbie corp to join - should have done that asap.

It took me too long to go to nullsec.
Keno Skir
#82 - 2011-09-17 12:22:34 UTC
Noatalba Hyades wrote:
1. Never EVVAH trade when under the influence of your favorite drug. EVE does not ask you "are you sure?" if you have a typo in your market order's price.

2. Even if you're sober, check at least twice before hitting Enter or the OK button with your new / modified orders. I learned that especially well after wanting to set up a buy order for two T2 cruisers at around 100 M each and the game decided there was one more "0" in my oder than I thought.

Losing 1.8 B in a second really hurts. Ugh


Interestingly enough i got drunk the other day and spent 190million isk on a cruiser because i saw the price at a glance with three less zeros on the end :/

My EVE advice so far? All the mining and mission running and trade is the bread, the jam is the people-people interaction that occurs around it all. It was like a whole new game when i first realised theres more going on than grinding for the next ship/module and focused my attention on the people of eve and their wars and scams and little intricacies. Imerse yourself in the multiplayer aspect, if you're a miner do it in a gang and think of a way to do it better between you, if you're a lonewolf at least stay in contact with others of the same interest. Even a solo trader will eventually do better with a scout or two. A game with 50,000 people who play side by side without speaking to each other is a small game, EVE is a biiig game as long as you can find the right people to play with.

In my corp the new guys usually start out as salvagers and clean up battlesites untill their tackling skills train, then tackle untill they decide to train something better. But the best thing about joining a good corp isn't the easier access to isk, and maybe not even the assistance with training and loadouts (although a close second), it's just that when your months of work are destroyed in a second you have a family to tell the story to and laugh instead of rage quit. I have a feeling most people who rage quit early on just didn't have anyone to tell their story to, and nobody to laugh with them.

Ks
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#83 - 2011-09-17 17:47:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Gibbo3771
If something sounds to good to be true, it probably is, avoid any corps that ask for joining fee, free freighter service to get your stuff to there space etc etc.

Another useful thing is to not depends on the CCP support team, if you lose a ship to lag or bug dont waste time typing a petition out...it could be spent making the isk back for the new ship. If anything is going to force you away from this game its the utter terrible support team.

Also never take from a yellow can
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#84 - 2011-09-17 18:42:14 UTC
Ok heres two of the most important.

1) ALWAYS BUY 2 OF EVERYTHING

2) If another player asks you to come to a remote location, alone, for any reason, or says you can just take from his/her jetcan. DONT DO IT.YOU WILL BE PODDED

**Vherokior **

Kimpaz
Perkone
Caldari State
#85 - 2011-09-17 21:07:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Kimpaz
Illadelph Justice wrote:
Don't do something incredibly boring just because someone told you it was a good idea.

For example, don't spend months training a hulk on your main character because someone told you it would help you pay for your PvP ships. This happened to me, and I haven't touched a hulk in nearly two years. I wish I could put all those millions of SP into something useful.

Also don't mine just because. There are far better ways to make isk. If you're going to be a miner, you have to WANT to be a miner, just like beekeepers have to want to keep bees and taxidermists have to want to fill animals with sand.


Haha some Eddie Izzard there, always nice. Big smile
...and I agree with what you're saying. I'm a miner (mainly in null) and that's because I like mining and manufacturing.

You should make money your way and not "the right way".
Nak hak
#86 - 2011-09-17 22:03:25 UTC
Here's my POV of my mistakes. No doubt a few repeats.

1.Join a good corp as soon as possible.

2.Leave your first corp when you can't learn anymore from other corp members. Find new one.

3.Fly what ever you are having fun in. Fly it until you are longer having fun in it. Don't fly something because someone tell you to fly it. They might not be looking out for your best interests.

4.Don't train your main character to be a jack of all trades. I feel I wasted a few skill points on weak mining and weak industry skills. Should have saved it for the alts.

5.When moving to a new system, don't move all your stuff. Take only what you need, and/or buy what you need at the new system. Sell what you find to be useless for you, and store what might be useful in future at the old system. Moving is a pain.

6.Build mission bases. This would be the system you do a number of missions. Honestly, I tend to create a base for everything( PVP, PVE, Trading,....etc.). I find having my PVE ships and PVP ships in the same station/system to be useless. Rarely fine combining bases useful.

7.In PVE, always double check that you have accepted a mission before undocking station. While in mission space, make sure you have retrieved the game token (item) required to complete the mission. This would have saved me a number of jumps.

8.In PVE, have more ammunition then you think you need for the missions. I learned this when a rogue drone web and scammed my Catalyst as I ran out of rounds. Took me way to long to get away for the little bugger.

9. In PVP, when starting out carry less faction ammunition and nano paste then you think you need. You are going die sooner then later. So, why drop good loot?

10.Take a Agony Unleashed Basic PVP course. Sooner then you think you should take it. Wish I would took my classes sooner.

11.In PVP, the Thresher is the way to go. If plan on skilling up for destroyer that is. Never used one of my Catalysts in PvP.

12.In PVP, if a Interceptor( He had friends.) is chasing you up a pipe, then create a safe spot, and keep a eye out for combat probes. Lost my first Thrasher mainly because I did not safe up, and wait for the probes. Make them work for it.

13.Mining, never solo mine in low-sec. Lost a mining cruiser that way.

14.If you are into mining, then just focus on training into a T2 Hulk fit.

15.Did I tell you mining is boring?

16.When it coming to alt characters, train for a trade alt before a hauler alt. I should have created a trade alt before a hauler alt,.... and the other alts. Trading has been a good way for me to make isk.

17.If your trading, then read up on the latest trading scams. I got burned. Once.

18.Being in fleet(PvP, PvE, Mining,...etc.) with other players is more fun then being a solo ship.

19.Finally, once your green(newness.) fades, give back to the Eve Online community.

It's about freedom.

Best Regards, Nak hak

Zinobi Alduin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2011-09-17 22:36:03 UTC
While I find many of these advice to be very helpfull i must ask:

  • Just how do i find a good corp anyway? (I have been in quite a few meh-ones. Wish I staid in 'school', then I would at least not have to worry about wars)
  • What is a care bear? From the adverts I vaguely remember from my adolescence they where brightly coloured and used some kind of chest mounted beam weapon. Avoid lasers? (or why are you using in-game jargon in a thread aimed at noobs)

And of cause, how DO I find a good corp?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#88 - 2011-09-17 22:53:56 UTC
I was reading the forums extensively before I started playing the game. At the time there was extensive discussion about using Merlins to run missions. Some people stated that they could use X fitting to run L3 missions.

So when I started playing, I trained to fly X fitting and fly L3 missions.

After a few weeks of what felt like beating my head against the table, I upgraded to a Caracal. Suddenly L3 missions were a lot easier. Then after almost a year of flying that, one of my friends suggested I upgrade to a Drake. What do you know? L3 missions became easier still!

These days, I talk to people on the forums about running L4 missions in assault ships. I lose sleep sometimes, wondering how many poor souls I have convinced into running L4 missions in assault ships when they're doing it for income/standings but I'm only running L4s in assault ships for giggles?
Keno Skir
#89 - 2011-09-17 23:03:47 UTC
1) - Finding a good corp isn't easy but at least there are a few good ways to do research. Hang out in the recruitment channel and try to sift through the copy paste drivel that crowds the channel for somebody who talks like a real person, talk with them. If that goes well and you think they might have something good going for them, go hang out in their recruitment channel if they have one. Hopefully there will be a few members on hand to give you some idea of what to expect. Some small corps dont have the manpower to keep a constant recruitment channel, and it's worth noting that you often get a more personal family like environment from smaller corps as opposed to larger ones (at the cost of lesser protection). If you happen to make any friends before the corp stage try investigating their corp or asking if they know of any with a good rep :)

You could also try the corporation recruitment ad system but it's crowded with spam, and corps who only do one small act of mining at 6pm every second wednesday of the month will tick every box anyway in the hope it will net them more members.

All this is dependant however on what you would like to get from said corporation, once you have given the WHY some thought, the HOW should become much clearer.

2) - "Care-Bear" is a slang name given in EvE to the people who prefer the non-combatant side of the game, highsec miners and indy pilots and the like.

Ks
Croniac
Thunder Chickens
#90 - 2011-09-17 23:12:15 UTC
Don't rush through your training/tutorial missions, they teach you fundamentals, and they even give you some nice items. Take your time and understand what you are being shown.

Get into a good player corp that does everything, don't get suckered into some 'we only do this' corp, they always fail.

Don't be afraid to die, and remember to fly ships you can afford to replace.

And if what you're doing is making you bored, or making you hate the game STOP DOING THAT. Eve is a vast bottomless pool. Nobody knows everything about it. Nobody has done everything in it.

If you're bored in Eve, its because you are boring. Come up with a dream, and then make it happen. It is all right there in front of you. But if you just bang the rocks, or run the mission treadmill, you will never break out of the routine.

Everything is free. Even the most expensive ships are just made from rocks. And the right corporations can get you going down that path.

Most of all, have fun.
Si'Andregal Grungolash
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2011-09-18 01:20:32 UTC
Patience, Patience is key.

If you're a bloodthirsty new pvper, always take your time to analyze the situation you find yourself in.
Sometimes the lack of targets gets the better of you, and when you do find someone you tend to get excited and panic.

Too many times have I, in a fit of adrenaline, activated my guns and attacked an obvious bait, engaged outnumbered on a stargate, or even shot a hulk that I thought was mining in lowsec when really I had roamed into a highsec system.

Good times.
Eojek
Starlight Moly
#92 - 2011-09-18 01:55:38 UTC
StonerPhReaK wrote:
I trained Citadel Torpedoes to put on my shiney new megathron.ShockedTook forever! Then realized (after torp 5 was complete ofc) that a citadel launcher used way more cpu than could ever be dreamed of on a mega.Oops

My advise :Right Click and Show Info on EVERYTHING!Attention


Oh And : Read and re-read everything thrice.


Lesee, if you DO fit T2 power diagnostics on all the lowslots on a Navy Apoc, and one power rig, you can. DPS is crap, though. Seriously, 45 dps? :P
tsukubasteve
Doomheim
#93 - 2011-09-18 02:36:38 UTC
If you start your own corp, never give roles to anyone you can't physically punch in the face.

Sources: me.
Vedista Attor
EnAstron
#94 - 2011-09-18 05:54:24 UTC
Being a total noob, I am in a position to offer my "light of ignorance".

For the trial users :
1. It took me 3 attempts in 3 different email accounts at different time periods. All three times i quit after 1 hours of playing because i was fool enough not to take tutorial seriously. FOLLOW THE TUTORIAL AS IF IT WAS YOUR BIBLE.

2. Before buying ANYTHING right click on at show info and check the prerequisites. Chances are that you will be missing one more skill and you will end up with some "nice" gear that you wont be able to use before a long time.

3. Check the awkward mission system. READ CAREFULLY what the agent says. Be prepared and armed for surprises.

4. Give the game some time!!! Don't expect to conquer the solar system in just 14 days of trial.

5. READ blogs, forums etc and get trained!!! This looks to be a long journey thank God :-)

6. Dont get disappointed by the older payers trying to show off their experinece. One step at a time. Its a game where older players have a clear advantage. But then again is there a game that this is not happening?


Thats it! (What did you expect. i am a noob just like you). I am still learning and will be learning for a long time....
Fly safe !!!


HardTrue
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2011-09-18 07:21:59 UTC
Maybe it's obvious, but install EVEMon or similar - it helps you a lot in planning skills.
Asana Keikira
Doomheim
#96 - 2011-09-18 08:57:16 UTC
Croniac wrote:


Everything is free. Even the most expensive ships are just made from rocks. And the right corporations can get you going down that path.


Most people will dispute the free part. :D However, yes, finding a good corp can get you into ships, as long as you're willing to put forth a bit of effort. I got my first cruiser through my corp, and mined and missioned my way to paying it off. That's the key to a good corporation to me - They support you commensurate with your support for them.

Rixx Javix wrote:

> Turn off Auto-Lock


This relates to a newbie mistake that I was the victim of myself. It's very important to be very familiar with this statement if you're flying a logistic ship. I took a brand new logi Osprey into a level 4 with a couple corpmates and about 30 seconds into the fight, I was forcibly ejected from a smoking hull when a team mate gave me 2-3 Scourge missiles to the face. I had locked him up to keep track of his shield status and in doing so, he locked me back automatically and didn't realize it. Took me about an hour to replace the ship, with most of the time spent laughing incessantly.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#97 - 2011-09-18 09:29:19 UTC
One that hasn´t been mentioned so far:

x) Avoid going AFK
x) Avoid flying on Autopilot.

Certainly not in Low-Sec and best not in High-Sec either.

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Dalto Bane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2011-09-18 11:05:09 UTC
Where to start with silly mistakes...

1) Always read the mission very carefully, and what it will take to complete missions

2) Always check your cargo bay before warping and undocking to ensure you have ammo or the item it will take to complete the mission.

3) Return drones to the drone bay before warping.

4) Lastly, trust no one right away. This includes but is not limited to collateral payment, hauling rocks you mine etc.

Drops Mic

Pervonius
State War Academy
Caldari State
#99 - 2011-09-18 16:39:56 UTC
First time i played eve i sore a megathron and i asked the guy flying it "wow you fly a titan" lol Roll
Lojak 2501
Unitum Investigationis et Progressus
Primary Sector
#100 - 2011-09-18 16:41:21 UTC
back when i started running missions i fit 1 (yes only 1) repper and hardener of both damage types. doubling up on them didn't even cross my mind.

morale of the story? learn from my loss of more ships that i care to count Big smile