Crime & Punishment

LOLZ at this... If you dont like PvP why are you playing an full loot PvP game? I'm sorry but thats not wise. Fact if you play EvE you will lose ships no matter what. And there is a good side, at least for ship sellers.... :3

Jeremy, like yourself, I once expressed frustration at Hulkageddon, to the point of writing a poorly thought out forum post, of which I had to apologize to everyone for later after my CEO chatted with me. And yeah, I considered ragequitting too because the game mechanics allowed players to impact my own gameplay to the point of actually losing stuff. I've been ganked and podded by other players. I've had my missions objectives taken from me by other players who scanned down my room, too many times to keep track of. I've been WARDEC'd .....twice...by corporations many times my own corporation's size. I've been scammed for 2 million ISK during my first week here, by another player who took advantage of my naivity.

The only reason why I am still here is because my CEO told me a few things, two of which I'm gonna share with you. The first was that "Don't Fly What You Cannot Afford To Lose" saying others have already said to you in their replies. If you fly only what you can afford to lose, you are invincible. No one can hurt you, because you just replace and pick up where you left off. This means of course you have to perhaps scale down your ambition a bit to cover your keyster, but I would argue losing a ship you cannot afford to replace is not worth undertaking the ambition in the first place.

The second thing, and this is VERY important, is that EVE Online is the only game to my knowledge that does not come with game content made by the developers. The players make their own game content: they do what they want to do, build what they want to build. That takes imagination, a bit of innovation and some risktaking, but it's what keeps EVE fresh after all this time.

I hope you find the MMO you will be happy with. I hear STO has gotten better since it's abysmal start 2 years ago. Perhaps that one is for you. You will get the big shiny ships easily with no risk. The players won't be able to meddle as you make millions and millions of resources. In the end you will be bored because, like any supplied game content, there is ultimately nothing left to do once you finish it. You will be frustrated and move on to something else. It's too bad someone didn't sit down with you to explain all of this, like someone once did for me.

Ehnea

/old man mode on

When I started in 2006 with this game, mining was even more dangerous that it is now, since Concord essentially was possible to escape from and even tank with a good ship. You quickly learned two things that new players never seem to have learned:

1 - You absolutely must join a corporation if you plan on doing things as a newer player. Flying solo is something only very experienced players should do.

2 - Your fleet must always include mainline defenders. A typical mining corp back then was 30% PVP players who always flew a minimum of 1-2 ships to protect the miners. Even in high sec space. Flying solo would often get you kicked from a corp or you'd not be offered a replacement ship in any case for your own stupidity. Ninja mining aside, of course.

Nobody complained about miners as most mining was a corp-related activity and live players who were playing EVE. The idea of going AFK while mining was just something you never did.


Compare that to now. You see the problem. In fact, I'm not entirely sure how to solve this mess. But I do know that when it was more dangerous and Concord was not as silly as it is now, people were forced to play the game a lot more cautiously.

Greedy miner yeah. Please refer yourself to the plethora of comments being made by gankers in this thread about their coveted T2 salvage drops.

It's a game. Calling anything in it 'terrorism' is as sensible as calling carebears 'risk averse'. Neither makes any sense because nothing in Eve Online is really meaningful to a person who has perspective.

Ahhh, who told you that :( Now I am found out. Hello C&P

Except this is EVE. You'll learn soon enough that everything in EVE is sprsrsbzns.

Thank you for that comment. It very nicely illustrates the imbalance in ganking that the removal of insurance payouts was intended to (at least partially) correct. It also nicely illustrates how, even with said removal, ganking is still imbalanced. Yar!

FTFY.

Otherwise, I agree.

Aww come on. not THAT terrible. I'd give myself a 6/10 since I kept a straight face and was somewhat productive in the ensuing discussion