Warfare & Tactics

that is obviously what he said and what he meant. Man, where do you get those powers of deduction!? I WANT SOME!

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So what else he then suggested with his response to X gal than "I am glad this system benefits gallente so much they can become so smug that it enables farming isk from opposing militias who will never again be able to rally the numbers needed since all isk starved puppies join the outnumbering side".

Since this seems to represent CCP's official stance in regards to FW, is it any wonder why people are leaving it entirely in droves or joining the sides which currently (and will have it for all eternity now) have the upper hand?

EDIT: And CCP decided to shaft caldari a bit more by nerfing merlin...as if it needed it.

While you need 4 times the LP to get your items, clearly an advantage for the loosing site. Cause there are so many usefull unique items in the milita LP store! Oh wait, there is just one in the amarr milita LP store. Go guys, buy all the navy geddons now! They will be pretty expensive after the patch . We are all being trolled by the devs.

And why would losing side get any systems back? Other side plexes there for 39 hours, enemy fleet arrives after 39.5 hours and sits in system and undoes the whole work. You and I both know that "no LP for running defensive plexes" does not stop that and people will happily stay awake 12-36 hours to p.ss on their enemys cereals so to speak.

Can you give any reason why Caldari or Amarr would have more than 0-2 low-sec stations before expansion hits because they can all be flipped well before expansion arrives?

And people still seem to think CCP is not biased, despite years long open hostily regarding Caldari faction, with this newest expansion being the crown jewel in their hate.

Agreed. The new rewards system appears at first glance to be very lolworthy. It makes me feel very warm inside that a CCP Dev would love my idea to make isk by renting my Gallente standings to others.

Wow good to see that the crying and whining is still going 30 pages strong.

Just shut up! What you raging nerds fail to realize is that Faction Warfare can not get any worst than what it is now...really, it can't. The population of all 4 militias has steadily declined in the past 5 months, fighting has diminished even more and usually 50 of the 100 of players in militia channel are mission running, with another 40 afk.

Currently FW is worthless. Plexing is worthless, the PvP is almost non existent, and now markets have been so saturated by faction items that even LP is nearly worthless (10m slicer...lol).

Faction Warfare has nowhere to go but up, so please, STFU and let CCP at least try to do something....ANYTHING to get this game mechanic up to speed. CCP can not "kill" FW, it is already dead.

Because we are not you ?
I dont know about the Gals but i cant see us Minmtar flipp all the Systems.

We only captured what we have now because we actually listened to CCP at Fanfest and we wanted a Bufferzone...

LOL!! My comment had nothing to do with the Gallente or Caldari specifically, I'm just saying that the very notion of a winning faction renting mission hub systems back to the loser for mission purposes is the kind of crazy gameplay possibilities that could emerge from the new system. I doubt we'll actually see it, but who knows how the markets and PvP entities will intersect in the new war and motivate people to take or lose space accordingly.

But by all means, continue with the fantasy that the big bad developers are out to poop on your specific faction with their new rules. Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

The thing that many players are struggling with is that they want to see specific mechanics that directly incentivize losing, thus giving them reason to want to stick around and fight from behind. CCP would much prefer to allow the sandbox to govern these incentives, allowing emergent market behavior to do the work rather than an arbitrary gimmick.

We’ve already seen how the factional LP stores vary in value depending on the easy of farming the LP with the current imbalances in level 4 missions. Factions like my own with incredibly simply mission running get farmed to death, and our LP store has one of the lowest isk / LP ratios around as a result. The markets will eventually shift according to the success of the faction, and a losing faction will soon see higher demand for its LP store offerings than ever before. The losing side will be locked out of being able to run missions, and must PvP their way back to earn that privilege. In the mean time, the losing side will be much more likely to hold onto their LP, further reducing the amount of that LP store’s offerings that reach the market, and further driving up the price.

Eventually, SOMEONE will realize the value of these offerings and intervene, that is the nature of EVE players. An organized group can take major advantage of a losing faction by making a fast, hard, push to reclaim territory, reinforce systems, and cash out all the LP they earn along the way at once they achieve the cheapest possible rates. They can than quickly dump those items on the market while the prices for those items are still at their peak market value, making an obscene profit before they start falling again. This is just one of a thousand ways the system can be gamed and advantages can be gleaned by joining and assisting a losing faction to recover their space.

Who knows whether this is how it will play out or whether we'll see something completely different, the point is that rather than just handing players cookies for losing, or arbitrarily reducing the motivations to win in the first place, the developers are specifically keying these changes to the market, so that it becomes a true sandbox where we decide what the motivation is to fight back, not CCP.

You guys are screwed. Technical evaluation.