Warfare & Tactics

Stop whining

Welcome to my personal hell. There will probably only be cosmetic changes to plexes/NPCs but with a massive added incentive, which means that some of us (read: Amarr) are effectively removed from the plexing game entirely due to the comparatively harder time we have doing that bit.
Might change if we can somehow find 50-60 people with an interest in plexing, but if they come by way of the incentives then one must assume the Shakorites get the same size bump nullifying it.

As for why they haven't made NPC destruction the 'timer' .. blobs. Just dump 10-20 people into an unrestricted and the useless navy ships pop as soon as they spawn making the the spawn speed the new timer.
With incentives, one must assume it is split among those present thus countering the urge to blob (on paper), but since we have been doing it for epeen until now such a change will just result in majors closing a few seconds after last spawn .. could be timed to last approximately same time though, which is actually better than the mind-numbing "watch the clock" .. we'd need something else to do while waiting for spawns though

As I understand it; LP for offensive plexing is taken from the iHub if and only if it has any LP invested. Otherwise LP is given as normal, counting towards system occupancy/sovereignty.
In short: Invested LP acts as both utterly useless carebear booster and as a buffer tank for the system.

Question about Kill-to-Cap made me think, what if:
- Plex caps when last NPC is killed.
- NPC spawns increase in number, waves and intensity (read: difficulty, as in elites) as numbers increase.
- LP for plex remains the same, only benefit for blobbing therefore is additional tags.

Would solve the Blob-to-Win in regards to plexes, but requires some more NPCs to be designed and for the NPC AI tweaks to be put in place or its just going to be speed tanking all over as normal.

LOL! They were nerfed???? Wow hate to see how much people made back then. I still manage to make a lot more per hour than anyone I know that are part of the big incursion corps. Anyway thats a different debate... :P

My advise is do your homework before making a comment about something you obivously havent looked into since incursions came out. :)

Yeah, they were nerfed but it as a while ago.

- Missions used to be "standard" missions with LP/ISK assigned according to system security, a few speciality items and discounted ships.
- Then CCP rummaged around trying to make it more worth it and removed standings penalty for declining --> massively staggeringly overpowered boost.
- Then CCP did a collective /facedesk and reinstated standings penalty but added a few more speciality items (implants, navy hull revamp).
- Then agents across the board were normalized --> massive boost.
- Soon CCP removes discounted ships but adds infini-LP by way of plexes (and probably kills as they are destined to mess that one up )

Good too know my doom'n'gloom is vindicated. Station lockouts for what will probably be 6-12 months before NPCs are tweaked, during which time Shakorites have their super easy AB-Rifter plexing .. Yay!

Clear the Tuomuta docking ramp Scotty, things are about to get busy!

I don't want to speak well of the enemy - or rather, I should speak well of my alliance, and say that it's not super easy when someone's trying to kill you. We are trying to kill them, so they're not often in AB Rifters :) I know that the Jayai constellation looks bleak at the moment, but those systems weren't lost so easily, and if you could see the constellation over time you might see hints of how quickly it can turn around: two systems reclaimed in one TZ, and then two systems simultaneously vulnerable at an inopportune time for us (if we'd gotten it maybe four plexes earlier, the day would've dawned on 5/7th of Jayai out of their hands.)

I suppose that in the secrecy of their hearts they believe that they'll straighten up and fly right and be really serious about things in just a little while from now, and then they'll just push us all the way out of the warzone, and anyway they just don't care about Jayai in the first place, how silly of anyone to judge them by it -- but they are doing too badly with too many against too few for me to think they will do well against the growing Amarrian organization that I've also seen of late.

... well, enough of that. I'll just say, I think a vacation in Devoid will cure your doom'n'gloom. If you look around, in the distance, you'll see the red nebula about Heimatar. I fancy that it's receding.

Slightly off-topic Kuehnelt, if you're not interested in fighting IO, why not?

I see you guys field similarly sized fleets to the IO death engine when White Lotus have small frigate gangs in the ******* end of the FW zone, and better Logistics fleets.

It seems like the 'investment' suggestion would slow down System flipping too much, hard to say without concrete numbers and testing though.

Well i can say this, If this BS goes ahead i will be leaving militia. I will get all the benefits of being in low sec, w/o penalties... I rarley run fw missions any more as there are too many carebears driving the lp value to nearly 0... I am sitting on over 3m LP and i have no desire to use it...

With all that said, I can stay in low sec same systems i use now. I can still hunt and kill the same people, i just wont sit on a plex timer and spin for 10 - 30 mins.

Truly this is going bring piracy back in force. As all the FW pilots are going to quite worrying about fw as a whole and just kill everything.

Sorry Kuehn, this is basically all I wanted to talk about. Aren't you worried that this suggestion compounded with what's already pretty much decided would be too much, etc?

Personally I think that if you want your space, you should fight for it.

You kind of dismissed my post on the premise of an 'incident' with IO where no pleasantries were exchanged, but I wasn't aware of such an incident. Was a genuinely curious question. I know that you guys can fleet up.

I expect the LP Bonus for warzone control is for offers from the LP Store.

I'm still uncertain about the LP from doing plexs. Its clear that no LP from defensive plexing.

But offensive? Is it only taken from upgraded systems or not?

This seems pretty contradictory.

What is fw supposed to be a "stepping stone" to, if not null sec? Is it a stepping stone to high sec mission running? Wormholes?

If this is what he said then I think we can see they are still thinking in terms of game designed to railroad people into the "endgame."

If they want to improve the game they need to let go of the whole "stepping stone" idea and make faction war an awesome and unique endgame that will appeal to a certain type of crowd. Preferably a different crowd than those who like null sec.

I really think they are just having a mental block on this. I find it amazing that they CCP soundwave cant see how these changes make faction war more like null sec.

There has been so much discussion of how to drive people to null sec they can't really get this "goal" out of their thinking. They play lip service and say "no we are not making this like null sec absolutely not!" But here it is on sisi: null sec lite. They just can't seem to understand that eve can be a sandbox with many endgames involving pvp.