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So why is CCP supporting the Burn Jita event?

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#161 - 2012-04-30 09:39:52 UTC
Freight TOG wrote:
what makes a mmo great are the players.. if anybody here can say eve is a happy place is kidding themselves.. ccp .. clean up your act.. or disapear.. goons.. you are pirates.. not excatly people who are gona grow the player base.. ccp don't care.. goons don't care.. and all this crap about justifieing your actions by saying it's a sandbox.. is just dumb.. seriously.. life is a sandbox.. but we don't go out killing people.. at least those of us who are sane.. but again.. goons.. well it's all been said.. meglomanica dic heads


ccp.. pull your head out of your ass.. and do somthing to fix your game rules.

i can say that cause it's a sandbox .. right... ?

ccp .. thank you for nothing much at all..




What.. do.. you.. think.. "sandbox".. means.. in.. this.. context..?

I.. will.. be.. happy.. to.. explain.. if.. it.. will.. help.. you..

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Oraac Ensor
#162 - 2012-04-30 09:41:14 UTC
Sobach wrote:
when you have to resort to arguing semantics (and a poor one at that), even you should know you've failed.

His argument was that players can play how they want by not playing how they want, which is utter nonsense.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#163 - 2012-04-30 09:43:39 UTC
Freight TOG wrote:
what makes a mmo great are the players.. if anybody here can say eve is a happy place is kidding themselves.. ccp .. clean up your act.. or disapear.. goons.. you are pirates.. not excatly people who are gona grow the player base.. ccp don't care.. goons don't care.. and all this crap about justifieing your actions by saying it's a sandbox.. is just dumb.. seriously.. life is a sandbox.. but we don't go out killing people.. at least those of us who are sane.. but again.. goons.. well it's all been said.. meglomanica dic heads


ccp.. pull your head out of your ass.. and do somthing to fix your game rules.

i can say that cause it's a sandbox .. right... ?

ccp .. thank you for nothing much at all..


We don'tkill people?

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#164 - 2012-04-30 09:44:59 UTC
Freight TOG wrote:
ccp .. clean up your act.. or disapear.. goons.. you are pirates.. not excatly people who are gona grow the player base.
Funny how these things are what have made the player base grow and kept CCP from disappearing for nine years now. Doubly funny since CCP's head of marketing is using Goons as a way to promote EVE and showing off what it lets players do.

By the way, ‘sandbox’ doesn't mean what you think it means.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#165 - 2012-04-30 09:49:00 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA Big smile

We have a ToS?

Damnit.

/me looks innocent and deletes his eve mails.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#166 - 2012-04-30 09:50:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
Freight TOG wrote:
what makes a mmo great are the players.. if anybody here can say eve is a happy place is kidding themselves.. ccp .. clean up your act.. or disapear.. goons.. you are pirates.. not excatly people who are gona grow the player base.. ccp don't care.. goons don't care.. and all this crap about justifieing your actions by saying it's a sandbox.. is just dumb.. seriously.. life is a sandbox.. but we don't go out killing people.. at least those of us who are sane..

Are you out of breath? For someone that loves ellipses so much you should probably know... you're supposed to use three full stops...

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Sobach
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2012-04-30 09:53:06 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
His argument was that players can play how they want by not playing how they want, which is utter nonsense.


sure, if you're ignoring the entire context of his argument. Did he really need to spell it out for you that yes, you can still mine in untanked hulk in hulkageddon, but it's probably not the smartest thing to do?

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#168 - 2012-04-30 09:56:04 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Nobody can play the game how they like if the Goons are preventing them from playing that way.


Of course they can, it's just that the risks are greater, don't mine in untanked hulks during Hulkageddon, use a retriever it's cheaper, a battleship has actually got a decent tank and I believe can mine faster than a retriever, it just requires a hauler and a few anchored giant secure containers. Run missions for a month, it's half decent money if you have lvl 3's and you can increase standings to reduce those pesky refining taxes. Don't go into events like Jitageddon, CCP put a warning up for it when you logged in, people went there at their own risk.

Self preservation and enjoying the game is greatly increased when you know what's going on around you, and actually act on that knowledge.

I've emphasised the words that destroy your own argument.

And no, CCP didn't put up any warning about Jitageddon when I logged in. Not that it would have made any difference since my only purpose in logging in at the weekend was to buzz around in a throw-away frigate looting Goon wrecks. Big smile


Nope, what you've emphasised is risk/reward management, if you fly a hulk during hulkageddon and it goes bang, it's bloody expensive to replace, however if you fly the retriever and it goes bang you're going to be considerably less out of pocket.

Missioning is an alternative to mining for a month. try it you might like it, if you don't it's always a fallback for easy isk during next hulkageddon. + point is increased standings reduce refinery taxes. Diversify, hell fit some thrashers and go kill people in hulks for giggles and remove your competition at the same time.

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5n4keyes
Sacred Templars
Fraternity.
#169 - 2012-04-30 10:05:38 UTC
Eve is a harsh and cold place... Deal with it.
FlameGlow
Perkone
Caldari State
#170 - 2012-04-30 10:47:25 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
[quote=Freight TOG]what makes a mmo great are the players.. if anybody here can say eve is a happy place is kidding themselves.. ccp .. clean up your act.. or disapear.. goons.. you are pirates.. not excatly people who are gona grow the player base.. ccp don't care.. goons don't care.. and all this crap about justifieing your actions by saying it's a sandbox.. is just dumb.. seriously.. life is a sandbox.. but we don't go out killing people.. at least those of us who are sane..

Are you out of breath? For someone that loves ellipses so much you should probably know... you're supposed to use three full stops...

You have to read it in volus voice with breathing pauses on ".."
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#171 - 2012-04-30 10:54:56 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
[quote=Freight TOG]what makes a mmo great are the players.. if anybody here can say eve is a happy place is kidding themselves.. ccp .. clean up your act.. or disapear.. goons.. you are pirates.. not excatly people who are gona grow the player base.. ccp don't care.. goons don't care.. and all this crap about justifieing your actions by saying it's a sandbox.. is just dumb.. seriously.. life is a sandbox.. but we don't go out killing people.. at least those of us who are sane..

Are you out of breath? For someone that loves ellipses so much you should probably know... you're supposed to use three full stops...



Please don't make it look like I posted that :(

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Ravan Hekki
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#172 - 2012-04-30 11:07:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravan Hekki
Um...really not sure how to respond to this. Jita burning would never happen in WoW or what ever other games you play.

What makes Eve different? Its player led. So for example in WOW they may have an event with GMs etc....Eve the players create the Event. I can go and play another MMORPG and shoot at someone called Zarnak the Unpronouncable about 20times because hes an elite rat that is part of some story line that im grinding for epic lootz.
Or i can shoot at a goon who is a real perso n who has inturupted my cash flow out of some need to promote his self promoting leader.

The point is that Eve content really is player driven. When CCP say they want this they mean that they want YOU to creat events and affect the universe. I watched the WOD keynotes and i think you should becasue they explain what is ment by sandbox really well there. Its about your actions effecting the sandbox and those around you. If you disagree with (or even care) the goons actions get in some ships with your mates, and suicide gank some goons or pay some merc to war dec them...or war dec them for a week so you can shoot them in Jita.

Unless some one has done somthing that breaks the EULA this shouldnt be a place to moan about someone having the good idea of adding content to the game, hell this is the only game where Goons cant really be a griefer corp they are more mainstream than you think, I mean really howmany alliances arent trying to be man spirited pirate types :P

What intrests me is also that the Goons have actually been very restrained with this as there are another 3 main trade hubs and countlest reigonal hubs. An organisation as large as the goons would have been able to shut down Rens, Dodixe and Amarr if thay had wanted too.

I am not a goon alt btw and if you check my embarassing killboard you will see that i shoot at TEST too as they tend to bring a fight, and i have ne real vested intrest in the nullbear,carebear, hardbear, goonbear, or incusionbear debate as i play Eve and deal with what crosses my path as it comes at me.

Burn in Jita has had a very indirect, but massivly positve impact on my Eve daily experience and without things like that it would be a duller game.

Its a real shame that its only the goons that seem to care enough to do big events and no-one else seems to want to.

**** i just did a nice post about the goons...um...eerr...goons suck, phew thats better :P


**Edit, just noticed the stuff about Hulkkageddon. dont mine and sell the huge stock of ore you have been hording on the way up to hulkaggeddon like therest of us (I hava an industrail miny mission runner who was my first toon) who spotted the supply and demand needs taht would appear after the massive amount of dammage done at jita followed by a slow down in mineral production that is Hulkageeddon. You can bet the Goons are mining in perfect saftey in null to make a massive profit off all of this.

It's not griefing its market manipulation, the fact that people belive its griefing and not a cold calculated attempt at making more ISK (after all mittens gave all his ISK away) says less about the Gankers and more about the Gankees
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#173 - 2012-04-30 11:16:12 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Please don't make it look like I posted that :(

Woop, my bad. Fixed Lol

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#174 - 2012-04-30 11:21:14 UTC
0/10

GF used the same mechanics available to you. You are not against GF but against the game mechanics, which are the ONLY reason all the rest of us play this game. Your vision of EVE is not the one supported by CCP nor is it supported by EVE true fans. It's just too bad you pay 15$/mo for a game that does not meet the requirements you look for (100% safety).

Those tears have just fueled my ships for another year. Pirate
Iron Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#175 - 2012-04-30 11:36:09 UTC
Where is your god now ? The only true god is death, and nobody can escape it. Jita is only a very little part of EvE, but it will always remain 90% of some players known space. It's on their own that they have to open their mind. For most openminded players Jita is just a place to avoid or to have fun with Goons, they dont care more, and they feed on your tears.
AnzacPaul
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#176 - 2012-04-30 11:36:57 UTC
Kurai Kihaku wrote:

a guild

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Aubrey Addams
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#177 - 2012-04-30 11:43:47 UTC
OP please leave this game.
Amanda Holland
Doomheim
#178 - 2012-04-30 11:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Holland
Sobach wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
His argument was that players can play how they want by not playing how they want, which is utter nonsense.


sure, if you're ignoring the entire context of his argument. Did he really need to spell it out for you that yes, you can still mine in untanked hulk in hulkageddon, but it's probably not the smartest thing to do?



It appears so doesnt it?

Iron Civire wrote:
Where is your god now ? The only true god is death, and nobody can escape it. Jita is only a very little part of EvE, but it will always remain 90% of some players known space. It's on their own that they have to open their mind. For most openminded players Jita is just a place to avoid or to have fun with Goons, they dont care more, and they feed on your tears.


Ah, roleplaying an Atheist lol I roleplay a GOD :D awe you dont believe in me - sorry, im tired :)

ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) vroom vroom motorcycle CCP to the sandbox: "This "adapt or die" attitude is nothing new to EVE, but we want to give it a constant rhythm that is a bit more under our control than in the past"

TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#179 - 2012-04-30 12:09:34 UTC
For people who think that Jita is the only trade hub in the game, the game has come to a crashing hault.
For those who rarely go to Jita or go to the other trade hubs, very little has changed.
It's a sandbox, adapt or die.


This is why I play eve, it's an awesome universe that has epic amounts of drama. People just need to learn that you can't play it solo, no matter how much you think you are.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#180 - 2012-04-30 12:14:01 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Killer Gandry wrote:
Burn Jita was announced a long time.

If you don't have the common sense to avoid Jita and surroundings you deserve to get your ship popped from under you.
You want to limit your gameplay to Jita and surroundings, fine. Then also accept the consequences.

We will use the other 7500+ systems to play in.


In all fairness, having to F5 the forums everyday should not be a requirement. I know it pains most of you, but a good portion of the players believe that to play the game is to start the client and well... play the game. Not F5 forums all day everyday and then maybe log in once in a while.

I am not saying the Jita thing is bad or Hulkaggedon; just trying to explain to you that hanging out on the forums should not be a requirement to the game.


You don't have to be a forum warrior F5ing your way through topic after topic to know about Burn Jita or Hulkageddon, the minimal amount of chatting or interaction with other people in game (corp mates, channels, hell even dumb old local...) would have tipped you off. It's an MMO after all, by definition you're playing with other people. If you go out of your way to avoid other people and ignore what they're up to you deserve whatever you get.