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So why is CCP supporting the Burn Jita event?

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a newbie
Kenbishi Heavy Industries Inc.
#361 - 2012-05-05 04:27:43 UTC
Scarlet Johansen wrote:
all i saw CCP were just advising players of Conflict in Jita, which is helpful. to the person that lost a jump frieghter in jita, ur an idiot for trying during this time, but i also happy there was no profit for the goons, i dont like the goons but they have played the game to the point where they are now without breaking any rules and so it would be unfair for CCP to interevene in a non-gameplay manner,

I dont like the reason why the Jita event was done, but that outside the game and doesnt matter, the only way CCP would get involved is if $$$ revenue was being affected by these events

i hate most gankers, some are respectable, ganking miners just for 'PvP kills' is not, if done for this you are cowards.

The Gallente ice interdiction and hulkageddon are different, the reasons they are made is irrelavent. The eevents had purpose.

Hulkageddon, im a carebear, i personally hate hulkageddon, i lose ships at the start of each event which tells me its time to stop mining for a while. But its done withion the confines of the game rules so its part of eve as is anything else thats done within the rules though i think a whole month is a bit over the top, that said, if i had the income i would donate a prize to the Hulkageddon event myself as it keeps the economy going and goves reasons for people to play and make up the losses after etc

i dont like that my prefered activity gets disrupted, but there is always something else to do in eve, this game is called 'EVE-online', not 'Space Mining Online' :)





THANK YOU! A Carebear with sense! If I could tell what market orders are yours I would buy them opposed to the others.

...um.. fire?
Styx Cyc
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#362 - 2012-05-05 04:37:52 UTC
Criitucius wrote:

I have to agree. The Goon phenomenon has gotten out of hand. They are harrassing people ingame, harrassing people on the forums, harrassing website editors, and I dare say, have crossed legal boundaries if their their bragged about website antics (out of game) are true. It's obvious with this orchestrated effort to flood this forum with a campaign to stifle "dissent" by making it seem unpopular for people to even discuss the issue.

CCP, you have a beautiful and mostly well executed game here...but you are severely limiting your customer base and your potential profits, by allowing actions that have resulted in the tainted reputation you have earned, for allowing the gameplay and the game economy, to be run by one cultish group (most of who use plex anyway to pay for their multiple accounts).

Just look at how the outside world, and thus most of your potential customers, view this game. That's why, unless you start doing something, you will never compete in the market place, no matter how nice your missle trails become. It's sad really

I keep hearing about not violating your "values", and not interfering with the "sandbox". Well, what about the "value" of your company? You can take your indignation at taking action and feel good about it when this eventually is forced to become free to play and some of you lose your jobs.

I'm not paying for them to have fun and I work for a living. I don't have that much time online and am not going to spend what I do have, being harrassed.

I hated to do it, since I love this game, but I just voted with my feet.


Nothing is going to happen as long as btardsFleet and CCP are in bed together -shrugs-.

Of course, eventually it will reach a point when the pushing by one group of people will backfire, as it always has in the past.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#363 - 2012-05-05 04:39:37 UTC
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
Good grief, move on, everyone else has.


yeeeeaaaaah THAT TOTALLY works in EVE

WiS?

Mittani? lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#364 - 2012-05-05 04:40:27 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Y'know what would have made Burn Jita actually damaging? Had they not given everyone a month's notice. Noone would have know what the hell was going on for at least a day and it would have caused chaos

It would have been beautiful and glorious


Yeah this. I never GO there anymore lol

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Mohadeeb
GALAXIAN
#365 - 2012-05-05 05:01:01 UTC
So avoid Jita. If your gameplay is that small that it involves having to go to Jita everyday then your missing out in seeing a good 99.9% of EVE universe.

Last I looked Goons had lost more ships than they had killed.

CCP has always been bias to powerful alliances they keep the game moving especially in 0.0 lets not forget the Dev feeding BoB BPO's then getting caught. Also turning a blind eye to the POS Bowling epidemic. One alliance of stirring things up in EVE makes for an ever changing universe in our little "sandbox" game.

If all you carebears organised yourselves and moved systems for a while you'd be unaffected. why can't Perimeter or Kisogo be the new Jita for a while. Think outside the square. hell if goons are in Jita **** off to 0.0 take your freighter Twisted

GLHF

P.S. Goons are a pain in the arse. But gotta have someone bending the rules and keeping things interesting.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#366 - 2012-05-05 05:14:42 UTC
a newbie wrote:
THANK YOU! A Carebear with sense! If I could tell what market orders are yours I would buy them opposed to the others.

As hilarious as that would be, the game won't let you anyway ~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Styx Cyc
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#367 - 2012-05-05 05:19:09 UTC
Mohadeeb wrote:


P.S. Goons are a pain in the arse. But gotta have someone bending the rules and keeping things interesting.


I agree. Problem starts when you have said people actively trying to alter the game development direction to suit them at the expense of everybody else.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#368 - 2012-05-05 05:21:49 UTC
Styx Cyc wrote:
Mohadeeb wrote:


P.S. Goons are a pain in the arse. But gotta have someone bending the rules and keeping things interesting.


I agree. Problem starts when you have said people actively trying to alter the game development direction to suit them at the expense of everybody else.

Oh sorry, were you looking to be an elite titan pilot? Or were you discussing the wardec changes which I don't think were pushed by any of us>

Make no mistake, of course something like that has to be taken full advantage of. But still rather those titans were, ehm "balanced" more.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#369 - 2012-05-05 05:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Mohadeeb wrote:
So avoid Jita. If your gameplay is that small that it involves having to go to Jita everyday then your missing out in seeing a good 99.9% of EVE universe.

Last I looked Goons had lost more ships than they had killed.


by like half lol
Quote:

CCP has always been bias to powerful alliances they keep the game moving especially in 0.0 lets not forget the Dev feeding BoB BPO's then getting caught. Also turning a blind eye to the POS Bowling epidemic. One alliance of stirring things up in EVE makes for an ever changing universe in our little "sandbox" game.


So if we all go an gank them... Given Goons doing it too is what got POS Bowling an exploit since Bob was doing it forever. Lets not forget about the BPO thing (jumpgate/T20) you STILL cant say kugutsumen on the forums SIC YEARS LATER
oh wait no apparently they just IM GMs and get us killed. I saw a thread about it the other day

Styx Cyc wrote:
Mohadeeb wrote:


P.S. Goons are a pain in the arse. But gotta have someone bending the rules and keeping things interesting.


I agree. Problem starts when you have said people actively trying to alter the game development direction to suit them at the expense of everybody else.


Ah like when theyre on the CSM?

and yeaaaaa totally buy the "CCP decided to change wardecs so our BFFs cant be decced anymore" wasnt a Goon made idea.
TOTALLY believe it

oh wait, no

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#370 - 2012-05-05 05:52:17 UTC
David Przybyciel wrote:
Fleet Commander Rolan wrote:

David Przybyciel wrote:

ok this PLAYER LIKE SO MEANY LIKE HIM IS THE CANCER THAT'S BEEN KILLING EVE !!!!
want to know why CCP dont give a SH!T ABOUT WHAT PLAYERS LIKE YOU HAVE TO SAY ????
NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY OR HERE ABOUT A GAME WERE YOU PAY $15.00 every 30 days to FARM OR make E-ships !
NO ONE IN THERE RITE MINED PLAYS THIS GAME TO CRY OR MAKE ONLY E-MONEY ONLY PLAYERS LIKE YOU !! WHO Should go back to face book games cry and B!tch here every time you fined out your not getting your way in this game or CCP like the fact you just got Raped by space nerds !!
YOU AND OTHER LIKE YOU !!! ARE THE CANCER OF EVE ONLINE !!!!!
yes Carebears makes eve GO BUT PVP IS WHAT MAKES IT A GAME GIVING A DAM ABOUT !!!
So stop crying about some online bully kicked over your E sand castle and took your E girl friend ! AND GO BACK TO FACEBOOK!!



Who made your ship that you can PVP in?


I MADE MY SELF SHIPS AND PEW PEW TAKE YOUR NOOB CAREBAER LOOT AND MAKE MORE SHIPS TO PEW PEW MORE OF YOU F#$%S !!

You have a lot of mad, son. Maybe you should mine to work off that rage.

Loved Burn Jita, think Hulkageddon is okay but I'm slightly ticked off that it looks like it'll go until August, since I should be completing my mining barge training by next month.

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Fleet Commander Rolan
Galactic Trade Industriez
#371 - 2012-05-05 07:07:02 UTC
Loved Burn Jita, think Hulkageddon is okay but I'm slightly ticked off that it looks like it'll go until August, since I should be completing my mining barge training by next month.[/quote]


Now a month I can understand,.. hell even back the idea a little. But till august thats plain retarted. I Carebear because I have a wife and two kids and not enough time for true active playing except maybe 2 days a week,... meh,. w/e. So when the miners finally get smart and go back to mining in BC's and BS's, or just picking a 1 door system in Low and Gate Camping with alts/corpies. meh w/e Ill still play for free so it doesnt really bother me either way.
Dracnys
#372 - 2012-05-05 07:28:29 UTC
I am biased because Burn Jita did hurt my business.

But I also think that my opinion on suicide ganking is valid. The problem with it is that it does not involve any risk. The ganker will lose his ship, so what. He already knows that and will fit accordingly. He also loses security status, but he also knows that and it does not stop any dedicated ganker anyway. For the ganker the risk is zero because its all calculated costs. When he strikes he knows that he will win (if he ship scanned, if he didn't he might fail to pop the carebear). Furthermore he is not in for the ISK, instead he directly trades his ISK for his enjoyment (the careabear's loss). In summary he will just win every time with ZERO risk.

EVE is a game about taking risk, the suicide ganker does not. His griefing is the most lazy-ass PVP possible and needs to involve more risk. The problem here is alpha damage. When the carebear gets caught by the ganker (and it will happen and apart from hiding in low-populated systems the carebear can't do anything about it) he will die. He can't get support from his friends because the ganker's ships have already done their damage and he can't be repaired because he dies instantly.

My proposal: make security status matter. At the moment its way to easy to just use an alt to move stuff to lowsec or to just zip through the systems with a fast ship.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#373 - 2012-05-05 07:35:45 UTC
wtf is this "till August"?

wheres that posted lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Freggan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#374 - 2012-05-05 07:43:47 UTC
Im neither for or against pvp or high sec mining or playing mmo games in the 1st place....unless I feel like pvp, mining or what ever and as long as the game supports what i feel like doing with my own personal time I pay to play for.

Worst thing anyone can do is complain about an aspect of the game, you just come off sounding like a half wit. Oh wine....wine...grumble....high sec miners suck....lick my balls....wine....wine...pvp is for retards....mumble...

Lastly and most importantly in my line of work I come across all sorts of people who big note them selves and put others down, for only 1 reason....they have not got enough personal character or moral depths to understand that the person they are trying to put down or make feel bad is a separate individual entirely....with their own views and beliefs with just as many rights as you. o.0
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#375 - 2012-05-05 07:45:52 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
wtf is this "till August"?

wheres that posted lol

Was discussed in Hulk5.

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#376 - 2012-05-05 07:54:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
wtf is this "till August"?

wheres that posted lol

Was discussed in Hulk5.


There a link for it or was that a chat?

Fleet Commander Rolan wrote:
Loved Burn Jita, think Hulkageddon is okay but I'm slightly ticked off that it looks like it'll go until August, since I should be completing my mining barge training by next month.


Quote:

Now a month I can understand,.. hell even back the idea a little. But till august thats plain retarted. I Carebear because I have a wife and two kids and not enough time for true active playing except maybe 2 days a week,... meh,. w/e. So when the miners finally get smart and go back to mining in BC's and BS's, or just picking a 1 door system in Low and Gate Camping with alts/corpies. meh w/e Ill still play for free so it doesnt really bother me either way.


and/or get smart and leave the game for something they CAN play and CCP sees a hit in the wallet and violates the sandbox to protect the game itself...?

Lol, I get it though. Goons kill the game either way. Get all the miners to leave, no noob ones will stay, so CCP has to violate the sandbox and do something drastic or they lose subs BECAUSE of what is currently "fair in game actions"

NICE JOB GOONS!

Well played

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Fleet Commander Rolan
Galactic Trade Industriez
#377 - 2012-05-05 08:23:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Fleet Commander Rolan
Totally misqoated me,.. The loved Jita burn was a qoate from someone else lol
Big smile


BTW,.. I know quiet a few carebears as its called,... but the only true carebears i know that dont pvp as well are like me,.. we let other people pay for our accounts, so they wont lose much if carebears decide to quit,.. but now i guess without anyone to buy the plexs on the market the people paying for plexs will take a hit :)
Inturist
Nuclear Reactor
#378 - 2012-05-05 08:44:14 UTC
Just go HERE and all your problems solved !!! and be there , and be happy !!!!
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#379 - 2012-05-05 09:57:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Alavaria Fera wrote:
a newbie wrote:
THANK YOU! A Carebear with sense! If I could tell what market orders are yours I would buy them opposed to the others.

As hilarious as that would be, the game won't let you anyway ~


Store fronts would have allowed that. Sadly another empty promise from CCP.

Also as far as the OP goes. Supporting is not the same as allowing and ISD reporting it.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#380 - 2012-05-05 13:13:10 UTC
Inturist wrote:
Just go HERE and all your problems solved !!! and be there , and be happy !!!!



would if I didnt constantly get "the client update was unsuccessful"

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.