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So why is CCP supporting the Burn Jita event?

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Bob Bedala
#321 - 2012-05-03 15:46:08 UTC
What staggers me is the OP goes "oh noes, no Jita, I am hamstrung!".

A shift in the ISK ecosystem means more profit to be made from unusual vectors. Burn Jita + Hulkageddon = more money for those with the wits to move with the tide. Or ripple, as is the case with the BJ event.
Basheron
The Arrow Project
#322 - 2012-05-03 16:04:32 UTC
What really upset me is seeing the Burn Jita splashscreen logging in to the game. Why is CCP supporting these griefers? All I heard at fanfest was goon this and goon that. Dudes, stop humping their legs, they are nothing more than a griefcorp, I've seen these guys in other MMOs, they take pleasure in knowing that you aren't enjoying the game.
Joffre Tremblant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#323 - 2012-05-03 16:35:22 UTC
Though I didn't participate in the Burn Jita festivities, I have been skimming the forums looking for a whine like this.

This thread isn't bad, though I'm a little disappointed in the OPs ability to make any sort of logical argument as to why this is a bad idea. I rate this thread a 7/10.
Joffre Tremblant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#324 - 2012-05-03 16:37:39 UTC
Basheron wrote:
What really upset me is seeing the Burn Jita splashscreen logging in to the game. Why is CCP supporting these griefers? All I heard at fanfest was goon this and goon that. Dudes, stop humping their legs, they are nothing more than a griefcorp, I've seen these guys in other MMOs, they take pleasure in knowing that you aren't enjoying the game.


Maybe because you Goons are actually doing entertaining things with the game they've built?

I don't see the value in CCP talking up carebear corp "X" that just sits in high-sec grinding L4s 24/7, and I don't think too many people would be interested in reading about it either.
Sebrefa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#325 - 2012-05-03 19:58:52 UTC
To bad RL physical attributes dont effect the game....or id be the sexiest pod'er ever
ChOoNoS
TAW Industries
#326 - 2012-05-03 21:52:52 UTC  |  Edited by: ChOoNoS
Kurai Kihaku wrote:


Blah blah blah whine cry blah blah




Let me put it in terms you might be able to understand:

Youg et ganked > So do other people > Alot of ships are lost > the industrial machine starts churning double time > You mine and produce > Sell everything for twice as much as before > Profit

How can Jita Burn not be a good thing? It actually helps the game grow.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#327 - 2012-05-03 22:20:28 UTC
Basheron wrote:
What really upset me is seeing the Burn Jita splashscreen logging in to the game. Why is CCP supporting these griefers? All I heard at fanfest was goon this and goon that. Dudes, stop humping their legs, they are nothing more than a griefcorp, I've seen these guys in other MMOs, they take pleasure in knowing that you aren't enjoying the game.

Because this isn't other MMO's?

Because, not to be too blunt, Goons actually may understand "Eve-Online" the game, better than *anyone*?

Maybe that's why?

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#328 - 2012-05-03 22:25:13 UTC
Basheron wrote:
What really upset me is seeing the Burn Jita splashscreen logging in to the game. Why is CCP supporting these griefers? All I heard at fanfest was goon this and goon that. Dudes, stop humping their legs, they are nothing more than a griefcorp, I've seen these guys in other MMOs, they take pleasure in knowing that you aren't enjoying the game.



...your trolling right?

its EVE

what other MMO do you know of that when ppl QQ about griefing in game to the gms and such they (electronically) look at that player and say "harden the **** up" and walk off?
Theres even a song about it

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#329 - 2012-05-03 22:44:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Adalun Dey
Basheron wrote:
What really upset me is seeing the Burn Jita splashscreen logging in to the game. Why is CCP supporting these griefers? All I heard at fanfest was goon this and goon that. Dudes, stop humping their legs, they are nothing more than a griefcorp, I've seen these guys in other MMOs, they take pleasure in knowing that you aren't enjoying the game.

Maybe a good time to give them the middle finger then and start enjoying the game, huh?

I didn't even notice any splashscreen about the Jita event when I logged in during its course, but maybe instead of discouraging CCP to let players know about major events being organised by corporations or alliances, they should more often do so? Why isn't there a Hulkageddon splashscreen?

[i]" Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "[/i]

Deise Koraka
Caldari Investigations and Forensics
#330 - 2012-05-03 23:31:08 UTC
Events like these are a sign the game community is healthy, CCP supports it because players are taking it upon themselves to create exciting events that the entire community can participate in.

Blink

I am a carebear, and I support High Sec ganking and PvP. Just please, don't blow up my Hulk*. **<3 **

*Mackinaw as of Inferno 1.2

Mumemafu Praetoriam
Imperium .H.E.M.P.
#331 - 2012-05-04 01:24:15 UTC
No cry here babyBear, EVE or you love it, or leave it!Twisted


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Guido Sarducci Slipperyeel
The Konvergent League
#332 - 2012-05-04 07:45:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Guido Sarducci Slipperyeel
My concern is slightly different - and people are welcome to disagree.

First, I could care less about Goonswarm - they're playing within the confines of the sandbox. Second, anybody whining should grow a pair, grab a gun, or stay in-station during the storm.

That said, I have a completely different issue I believe to be relevant:

What IS CCP's stake in an event like Burn Jita? How much of the ISK rolling through the system is from purchased/converted PLEX - i.e., real, green cash that flows directly into CCP's pockets? I know what I've dumped into this game, and have spoken to many others that have dumped big $$ into playing Eve - so I know a small window of green cash flowing into CCP's coffers.

Not wanting to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it would seem that it is in CCP's best interest to fuel the destruction across the board - and that theory seems to be supported in some of the commentary I've seen from CCP staff, devs and creators, as well as policies and procedures intended to keep the ISK flowing to CCP's benefit.

If this were all about the sanctity of the game and preserving the rights of the gankers, et. al., it would seem that CCP would quit allowing PLEX conversions, character transfers, etc., and reduce the injection of ISK into the game by people like me. Either that or allow players to convert their ISK to real-world cash.

THEN we could talk increased profits, inflation, integrity of CCP, etc., with honesty. Let's face it, when a decent toon costs > $1,000 USD and that money is funneled directly through CCP and ONLY CCP, then only CCP is the "winner."

Just a thought.
Not Amused Responsible
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#333 - 2012-05-04 09:17:00 UTC
Guido Sarducci Slipperyeel wrote:
My concern is slightly different - and people are welcome to disagree.

First, I could care less about Goonswarm - they're playing within the confines of the sandbox. Second, anybody whining should grow a pair, grab a gun, or stay in-station during the storm.

That said, I have a completely different issue I believe to be relevant:

What IS CCP's stake in an event like Burn Jita? How much of the ISK rolling through the system is from purchased/converted PLEX - i.e., real, green cash that flows directly into CCP's pockets? I know what I've dumped into this game, and have spoken to many others that have dumped big $$ into playing Eve - so I know a small window of green cash flowing into CCP's coffers.

Not wanting to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it would seem that it is in CCP's best interest to fuel the destruction across the board - and that theory seems to be supported in some of the commentary I've seen from CCP staff, devs and creators, as well as policies and procedures intended to keep the ISK flowing to CCP's benefit.

If this were all about the sanctity of the game and preserving the rights of the gankers, et. al., it would seem that CCP would quit allowing PLEX conversions, character transfers, etc., and reduce the injection of ISK into the game by people like me. Either that or allow players to convert their ISK to real-world cash.

THEN we could talk increased profits, inflation, integrity of CCP, etc., with honesty. Let's face it, when a decent toon costs > $1,000 USD and that money is funneled directly through CCP and ONLY CCP, then only CCP is the "winner."

Just a thought.

Rico Minali
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#334 - 2012-05-04 09:25:26 UTC
Guido Sarducci Slipperyeel wrote:
My concern is slightly different - and people are welcome to disagree.

First, I could care less about Goonswarm - they're playing within the confines of the sandbox. Second, anybody whining should grow a pair, grab a gun, or stay in-station during the storm.

That said, I have a completely different issue I believe to be relevant:

What IS CCP's stake in an event like Burn Jita? How much of the ISK rolling through the system is from purchased/converted PLEX - i.e., real, green cash that flows directly into CCP's pockets? I know what I've dumped into this game, and have spoken to many others that have dumped big $$ into playing Eve - so I know a small window of green cash flowing into CCP's coffers.

Not wanting to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it would seem that it is in CCP's best interest to fuel the destruction across the board - and that theory seems to be supported in some of the commentary I've seen from CCP staff, devs and creators, as well as policies and procedures intended to keep the ISK flowing to CCP's benefit.

If this were all about the sanctity of the game and preserving the rights of the gankers, et. al., it would seem that CCP would quit allowing PLEX conversions, character transfers, etc., and reduce the injection of ISK into the game by people like me. Either that or allow players to convert their ISK to real-world cash.

THEN we could talk increased profits, inflation, integrity of CCP, etc., with honesty. Let's face it, when a decent toon costs > $1,000 USD and that money is funneled directly through CCP and ONLY CCP, then only CCP is the "winner."

Just a thought.



PLEX doesnt inject any isk into teh game. You buy a PLEX, sell it to someone who needs the gametime and thats it. Doesnt matter what that PLEX was originally bought for eventually it will be used for gametime, so CCP make neither more nor less money from ingame sales of PLEX compared to running subs paying cash.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

CirJohn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#335 - 2012-05-04 09:33:26 UTC
Noob tears, yummy.

Go shop in Amarr fool.
Not Amused Responsible
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#336 - 2012-05-04 09:34:13 UTC

It just comes down to money not In game ISK but really money.

Everyone knows that the world is in debt and CCP need the real ISKies to keep rolling in and in Eve griefing means that you as a player need more ISK and the quickest way to build a fleet is with Plex, but the fat little piggy will get caught, prompting terrorism and griefing in game for young adolescents from the ages of 12yrs will encourage disruption in RL, already as the world of no boundaries gets ever bigger so does the line between right and wrong.

In our local schools griefing disrupts class rooms and stops those who want to learn, CCP has an obligation to ensure that the kids that use their software know right from wrong and since they changed Pegi from 18 to 12, I think its about time they changed their attitude, because the fat little piggy will get caught and will either change or Eve the game will just fade away, I bet 50% of Eve clients are people with out children and youths aren’t a steady form of income as the company Game found out this year.
Fleet Commander Rolan
Galactic Trade Industriez
#337 - 2012-05-04 09:38:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Fleet Commander Rolan
Good Morning Griefers,
I am a carebear,.. Ok whatever, working on that. That however being said,.. I do not understand the Agony being posted by people complaining about the Jita burn.

Lets see first day of Hulkageddon I lost a hulk,.. meh ok w/e 300m down the drain big freakin woop,.. Hulkaggedons going on for a while find something else to do. Atm using that time to set up a 24 planet PI program accross 6 chars on two seperate accounts. It will later be upgraded to a 36 planet program that will make me over a bil a month with little maint,...

Jita is Burning,.. OMG i got ganked,.... not. Look there are 4 trade hubs,... use a different one. So theyre killing everythign that moves in Jita,.. its one of thousands of systems.. Dont go there. Havent been since it started havent wanted to or needed to,.. Move to Dodixe for now or something... Big woop.
You pay to play how you want,.. so do they. Thats the point of eve, in no other game is it possible to do anything like whats happening in Jita right now.,,. its that ability to do whatever you want, be whoever you want that you pay for each month.. Got a problem with Goonswarm.. Create and alt infiltrate goons gain thier trust learn not to be a carebear while workihng for them,.. in a year or so move up into their corp then crash em.. You can do that,... its eve Ruin their day instead. And stop wining you sound like my 3 year old.


Edit.


One poitn id like to add before anyoone complain ooh all my assets are in jita, and i cant get to em or get em out or anything along those lines.. I was back on the game less than a week after 5 years gone,.. been back about a month and a half now. I knew Jita was going up in flames within a week of being back. You had over a month warning this was going to happen.

What you didnt believe it??!!! In eve,.. Its your own fault you didnt uproot to a new trade hub. Im not the kinda person to guy try and ruin someone elses day,.. but if I was in charge of the goons you wouldnt have gotten a warning at all. you would have logged into **** creek without a paddle. They told you it was going to happen so stop complaining and deal with it.
Sernum
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#338 - 2012-05-04 10:37:52 UTC
ccp supports this becuase this is eve in a pure definition. An event that effects the entire universe of eve. Just because it is malicious and makes people angry, they are just as many people who find this amusing this sis OP man - is eve at black/white
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
#339 - 2012-05-04 10:57:50 UTC
Probably 15 pages late to give this chump the simple answer:

CCP support this event no doubt because it is a player driven in game event not circumventing any mechanics but using game mechanics to do something a little bit different and special fun (for a subset) for a large group of players.

CCP probably also like all the free publicity events like this provide, and yes even the carebear tears and rage posts like yours add to this as a whole.

OP - the fact you can't see this is probably due to your vision being blurred by the tears from whatever crap ship and loot you lost to these "bullies". Fly safe. o/
David Przybyciel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#340 - 2012-05-04 11:07:27 UTC
Kurai Kihaku wrote:
Just want to understand the logic behind the game company taking such a stance.

Piracy, scamming, and griefing, all that I understand. But what is happenign with the "Burn Jita" event is completely different.

I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)

I think that EVE's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It has become a little too much like RL. In ALL mmos, there is nothing a powerful corp, or a guild can do to prevent other people from playing the game any way they like. They may have the best items/gear... the most friends... the most influence.... but there is absolutely nothing allowing the more powerful players to interfere with, or hinder in anyway the game-play of others.

I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked.

Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual.

But what's happening in EVE is more like, the cable company saying "Hmm.. This is interesting... all these people..They are so boring, laying on their couch watching movies.. Let' add a little something into their lives. Let's make them cry and scream with anger because they lack in diversity of emotions. Lets conduct a social experiment of sorts and let this hacker continue what he is doing.... "

Really, I think CCP is giving GF a little too much credit, allowing them to be the force of nature in EVE. The Yang that comes with the Yin, the spoon of tar in the barrel of honey, the black stripe in a pattern of white and black stripes... Well you get the point.

If CCP feels we need a little "spice" in our life, then why not alter those Sansha invasions to go directly into Jita or Amarr, or Rens or whatever... or program NPC pirates to go after mining ships at random times. Who the hell appointed GF to decide when the carebears have been having a too calm a life and need to be "shaken up a bit"?

Honestly I think those who chose the carebear gameplay style are already punished enough. They are essentially blocked out of all the fun gameplay elements. They cannot have access to best loot, they cannot mine the best ore, they cannot roam the world of eve without getting blown up as soon as they step out of their little fenced pen. But they are not choked enough... Lets tighten the noose some more, right?! Wrong.... Press this group of people too hard, and you got no one to grief anymore. No one to block. No one to make cry...

In a sense, this whole thing reminds me of our society, the extreme respect and admiration for professions such as doctors or lawyers and the complete lack of that same respect for those in lower professions. But wait.... We need these people! If no one was flipping burgers, no one was cleaning out the garbage, etc, etc... What kind of the world would be be living in?

Carebears fill an essential role in EVE. Without them, EVE would be missing a lot of what makes it great.

I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?


Quote:


Lead game designer Kristoffer Touborg tells Eurogamer that player-driven events such as Burn Jita are what make Eve Online different from other games.

"We want people to be able to do this. If Goonswarm want to do it, we want them to do it and we want them to have a great time doing it," Lander added. "The worst thing we could do is to stop it happening. It would be appalling for the game. It would be against everything we stand for."


And what the hell do you stand for Kristof? People making other people's life miserable?

Quote:
"The people they're going to hurt now are people who have quite a lot of security," he said. "There's not a lot of turnaround on ships and goods in Empire. I think it might be healthy if we lose a lot of this industrial power, if they have to go back and save up for their ships again and be a part of the cycle of life everyone else is a part of."


You "think".... I "think" it would be "healthy" for EVE if the Goons lost a lot of their power, but they are losing nothing aside from their ships an a small part of their wealth, while the Carebears are losing everything.




ok this PLAYER LIKE SO MEANY LIKE HIM IS THE CANCER THAT'S BEEN KILLING EVE !!!!
want to know why CCP dont give a SH!T ABOUT WHAT PLAYERS LIKE YOU HAVE TO SAY ????
NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY OR HERE ABOUT A GAME WERE YOU PAY $15.00 every 30 days to FARM OR make E-ships !
NO ONE IN THERE RITE MINED PLAYS THIS GAME TO CRY OR MAKE ONLY E-MONEY ONLY PLAYERS LIKE YOU !! WHO Should go back to face book games cry and B!tch here every time you fined out your not getting your way in this game or CCP like the fact you just got Raped by space nerds !!
YOU AND OTHER LIKE YOU !!! ARE THE CANCER OF EVE ONLINE !!!!!
yes Carebears makes eve GO BUT PVP IS WHAT MAKES IT A GAME GIVING A DAM ABOUT !!!
So stop crying about some online bully kicked over your E sand castle and took your E girl friend ! AND GO BACK TO FACEBOOK!!