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FACTION STANDING REPAIR PLAN ('The Plan')

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2012-01-01 22:46:37 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
r0selan, thanks for sharing that info.

'The Plan' does state that after training Diplomacy level 5 and if still below -5.00 Faction standing, completing regular level 1 missions to gain storyline mission offers is required. It also mentions that completing courier missions for Distribution Agents is the quickest way to achieve that goal.

As for spamming the 'Decline' option more than once every 4 hours, I didn't mention anything about that because I believe it's not a good idea. Granted the amount of negative standing hit may be small but it's still a negative hit. The idea is to minimize the amount of negative standing hits while repairing and boosting Faction standings.

However, the 'Faction Standing Repair Plan' is exactly what the name implies, a 'Plan' which can be adapted and changed to benefit each players specific needs and goals. Obviously this is what you did and congratulations to you for a job well done.

I hope you have continued good luck and much success.


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Bob Jan
Aimbob
#62 - 2012-01-06 07:56:44 UTC
Social and diplomacy are both level 5.

I just started doing the repair plan for Amarr (-3.5) and Caldari (-2.0)

Stared at Amarr career agents.

(Conoban System - Hedion University)

Each agent gives a chain of missions, teaching all the aspects of the game (Scanning, Repair, AB, mining, battle, salvage etc.)
You get a small faction bonus once you complete a chain. The bonus is between 0.8% to 1.8% so far.
However you do get a negative bonus impact towards the other two factions (Gallante and Minmatar)
Since my standing for those two factions is 7.6 and 7.4, I can take the hits, but I'm not liking it.

What can I do to increase my standing without getting a negative standing hit?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2012-01-06 10:07:11 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Bob Jan, thanks for posting and sorry to hear about your disappointment.

Yeah, unfortunately most of the Event Agents listed in 'The Plan' give derived standings, both positive and negative, towards all Factions. That is the reason for keeping watch on the standings and then alternate or 'bounce' to another Faction's Event Agents when needed.

Since you've already trained Social and Diplomacy skills to level 5, train Connections skill to level 5. That will help increase your current positive Faction standings.

Other than training up the various Social skills, completing the Epic Arcs will give a large Faction standing gain with little to no derived standings towards the other Factions. The only problem is that they can only be completed every 3 months.

Right now you could run the level 1 SoE Epic Arc and complete it for Amarr, then run the level 4 Amarr and Caldari Epic Arcs. That should make you positive with those Empire Factions without incurring any negative Faction standing hits towards Minmatar and Gallente.

I hope this info helps and good luck to you.


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Bob Jan
Aimbob
#64 - 2012-01-06 13:10:36 UTC
Thanks for the reply.

Atm I can't do the epic arcs of Amarr and Caldari because I have a below -2.0 faction standing.
I'l do the SoE epic arc first.

Guess I'l do the bounce trick, since the small lose of standing because of the career agents can be counterd by doing level 4 missions with Minmatar and Gallante.

I'm only after the epic arcs for Amarr and Caldari.

Is it better to get a -1.9 standing with both factions and then get my standing to 5.0 with the epic arc corperations?
I bet that's a lot faster then getting my faction standing up to 5.0.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2012-01-06 23:01:08 UTC
Oh, good catch. Somehow I forgot to include the info about needing above -2.00 Faction standing to run the level 4 Epic Arcs. Must have been a bit more tired than I thought.

Anyway, yeah, the easiest way to access the level 4 epic arc starting agents is to get Faction above -2.00 standing and Corp above +5.00 standing.

Looks like you'll have to complete just a few more Amarr Event Agent missions to get Amarr and Caldari above -2.00 Faction standing.. Of course that means you'll also get a few more negative hits to Gallente and Minmatar.

Then run the epic arcs. Completing the level 4 Minmatar arc incurs a couple of negative standing hits towards Amarr and Ammatar.

Hope you have much success and thanks for pointing out the missing info.


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NotSureIfArab OrJustLatino
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-01-07 00:49:43 UTC
Out of curiosity, what is the effective ceiling on average faction standings?

It has been quite some years since I last looked it up. I think the general theory a few years ago was that you couldn't push much past 4.0 averaged across the four factions, mostly due to the amarr being quite easy to **** off. Is this still the case?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2012-01-07 01:12:34 UTC
NotSureIfArab OrJustLatino, that's a very good question.

I can't give you an exact standing number or the amount of time required to accomplish it. Right now my average Empire Faction standings are in the high +5.00 standing. I am currently working the level 4 Epic Arcs and I still have the level 4 Cosmos Agents left to complete.

Since the Epic Arcs can be completed every 3 months for a large Faction standing increase with little to no derived standings towards the other Factions, I see no problem in gaining very high Empire Faction standings. Of course it'll take time to accomplish that.

Sorry I couldn't give you a more precise answer.

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NotSureIfArab OrJustLatino
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-01-07 01:15:32 UTC
Ah, I hadn't considered the arcs not hitting opposing factions as hard.

You'll have to pardon my naivete. I am a trader and not much of a missioner.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2012-01-07 01:29:37 UTC
Not a problem.

I doubt anyone can give a definite answer to that question. The Epic Arcs have pretty much deleted the standing limits that were previously in the game.

Just in case you were wondering, the level 1 Event Agent missions can be easily completed with minimum skill levels. Keep in mind that completing those will incur both positive and negative derived standings towards all the Factions.


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NotSureIfArab OrJustLatino
Doomheim
#70 - 2012-01-07 02:12:22 UTC
What ship(s) have you used for the L4 epic arcs?

I'm attempting to research the subject (no offense intended, your guide covers a lot) as I might run them in the future.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-01-07 03:14:02 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
For the level 1 SoE Epic Arc, the first couple of times I completed it was in a Tech 1 Frigate (Rifter) and then later in a Tech 2 Force Recon Cruiser (Rapier). Both are T2 rigged and fitted.

For the level 4 Epic Arcs I mostly use a Tech 2 Command Ship (Sleipnir) and switch to a Tech 3 Strategic Cruiser (Loki) when needed on missions that have high amount of incoming DPS. Of course they're both T2 rigged and Faction / Deadspace fitted.

The T3 Cruiser actually has more defense, faster speed, quicker alignment with a much smaller signature radius when compared to the T2 Command Ship. Unfortunately it also puts out less DPS so it takes a bit longer to kill the NPC's.

I also followed the Eve Survival Mission Reports to track the triggers while doing the level 4 Epic Arcs.


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Gaitrie
MagmaTech Industries
#72 - 2012-01-13 20:09:03 UTC
I have been on and off for Eve for the past 3 years. My standing is not that great for certain factions (amarr/caldari). I saw this guide and started to get in to this.

My problem was that I needed to make notes on what was done and what needed to be done so the task was to check all agents and see if I did that one. I would suggest to make notes in the Eve Notepad as to what missions/agents you already did so when you comeback after a while you know where you left off and do not have to go check each agent again.

Beside my agent check grinding this guide is a 10 STAR guide - thank you DMC.

Mine is Bigger **than **Yours ! <<<
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-01-14 02:43:08 UTC
Gaitrie, you're welcome and thanks for posting.

Yes, keeping track of agents already completed is a very good idea, especially when working the Cosmos Agents. The in-game notepad is indeed very handy for that.

Probably a good idea to keep an out of game back-up copy of the notepad as well, just in case.


Thanks again, good luck and much success to you.


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Gaitrie
MagmaTech Industries
#74 - 2012-01-26 18:03:55 UTC
This plan is going well. Found a system where I can do both minmatar and amarr missions so no long travels back and forth and now my my minmatar is 5.0 and amarr is from -3.72 to -0.28.

So guess after a couple of weeks they should both be good.

Mine is Bigger **than **Yours ! <<<
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2012-01-26 18:49:29 UTC
Ahhh, it's good to hear that.

If you have over -5.00 Faction standing with all Empire Factions, might think about completing the level 1 SoE arc for Amarr or Caldari, whichever one is lowest. Can easily complete that within a few days for a sizable Faction standing increase.

That way you won't have to grind endless amounts of regular missions for storyline offers if all you're trying to do is get the Faction standings more balanced.

Anyway, thanks for the friendly bump and good luck to you.


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Gaitrie
MagmaTech Industries
#76 - 2012-01-27 11:07:56 UTC
That was the first thing I did - the SOE Epic arc, took me aprox 6 hours to complete the arc and got a nice boost for Amarr.

Will definitely start doing the epic arc's (SOE) each 3 months to raise it to a positive standing.

At the moment I am doing L3 Amarr en minmatar in the same system with a BS and that is going Blitz, so most of teh time I get 2 storylines for both Minmatar and Amarr.

Do you know if teh standing gained with the storylines is a set % gain ? I just want to calculate in advanced to knwo what each standing will do before I accept and run teh mission for each faction

Mine is Bigger **than **Yours ! <<<
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2012-01-27 11:33:52 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Ahhh, thanks for clarifying.

Can't really place a definite number due to various factors involved.

The amount of standing gained is varied due to different storyline missions being offered. Along with that, the level of Social skills trained, Agent location (system security level) and the Agent Effective Quality will also modify the amount gained.

Sorry I couldn't give you a more specific answer.

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EDIT:
To get max standing increase, make sure to have the Social skills trained up.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2012-01-27 21:24:30 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Just wanted to update my statistics due to completing all of the level 4 Epic Arcs.

Empire Faction Standings - Modified (Base):
Caldari State +6.81 (+6.01),
Amarr Empire +6.10 (+5.12),
Minmatar Republic +5.93 (+4.91),
Gallente Federation +5.84 (+4.80),
The Interbus +5.04 (+3.80),
Khanid Kingdom +4.59 (+3.23),
Ammatar Mandate +4.46 (+3.07),
Concord Assembly +2.56 (+0.70),

Social Skills:
Social lv 5
Connections lv 5
Fast Talk lv 5
Diplomacy lv 5
Negotiation lv 5

Data Center Tags completed:
Minmatar = Angel Crystal and lower - need Gold
Gallente = Serpentis Diamond and lower - need Gold
Caldari = Guristas Crystal and lower - need Brass
Amarr = Blood Crystal and lower - need Gold
Ammatar = Sansha Crystal and lower

Epic Arcs Completed:
Level 1 Sisters Of Eve = 5x (1x Minmatar, 2x Amarr, 2x Gallente)
Level 4 Amarr = 1x
Level 4 Caldari = 1x
Level 4 Gallente = 1x
Level 4 Minmatar = 1x

Tutorial, Career, Circle Agents Completed:
All Empire Factions

Cosmos Agents Completed:
All Empire Factions = level 3 and lower

Special Agents Completed (Security Status):
Christer Fuglesang = Concord
Jeremy Tacs = Concord

Security Status:
+5.85

I have another month to go before I can do the level 1 SoE Epic Arc again which will be used to help equal out the 4 main Factions. Next up is the Level 4 Cosmos Agents. I'll be sure to post another update of my stats after completing that.

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Gaitrie
MagmaTech Industries
#79 - 2012-01-28 09:41:53 UTC
nice man - wow you have been doing it for a while if you done 5x SOE Epic Arc. Shame you can only do it once in 3 months.

Mine is Bigger **than **Yours ! <<<
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2012-01-28 13:39:40 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Gaitrie wrote:
nice man - wow you have been doing it for a while if you done 5x SOE Epic Arc. Shame you can only do it once in 3 months.


Thanks.

Yeah, I actually started working and formatting 'The Plan' back in late 2009, then revised and refined it during the first half of 2010. I basically split my time between working 'The Plan' and doing exploration. 'The Plan' could have been worked much faster but I really enjoy doing exploration.

The 3 month time limit on the Epic Arcs isn't too bad. I had started the level 4 Epic Arcs right after the last time I completed the level 1 Epic Arc. In the middle of Feb, I'll be able to start it again. So basically if I was to spend a week or so between each Epic Arc doing something else such as in my case, do exploration, I'll be able to just keep doing the Epic Arcs without having long periods of waiting time.

My goal, besides achieving very high Faction standings with all Empire Factions, is to complete all Event Agents currently active in the game. That includes the Pirate Event Agents as well. Those will be worked last of course. It'll be quite a while before I can access the Faction ship BPC Agents, especially if I work the Pirate Cosmos Agents.

As for Empire Event Agents, I have the level 4 Cosmos Agents and a few Data Center Agents left to complete. I made a statement back when I first started working 'The Plan' that achieving over +7.00 standing with the 4 major Empire Factions could easily be done quickly by working 'The Plan'. It'll be interesting to see just how high my Empire standings are after completing the last of the Empire Event Agents..


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