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FACTION STANDING REPAIR PLAN ('The Plan')

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#261 - 2014-04-18 04:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Miss Negotiatrix,

If the standing amount goal is small, IE, just need to raise the positive standing amount a little bit for access, then training a couple levels of Connections to achieve it would be the better route to go since that wouldn't incur any derived standings.

As for the Diplomacy skill, that's most definitely the number one skill to train for dealing with negative standings. Basically it's like a big jump-start towards gaining positive standings.

The main thing to remember is 'The Plan' can be customized to fit your specific situation. You don't have to follow it step by step.

For example = If you just need a couple of quick injections of positive standing gain, then just complete the Data Center 'Cert' missions followed with a couple of 'Tag' missions if needed.

Hope this helps.


DMC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#262 - 2014-07-18 06:31:02 UTC
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#263 - 2014-07-18 07:35:40 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
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Good move.




Small sidenote:

I managed to complete the Minmatar Epic Arc in a MJD Domi a few months ago without killing either of the opposing factions ships.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#264 - 2014-07-18 08:27:53 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
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Thank you very much for doing that..

Big smile

I needed to make some changes to the original post and also wanted to provide an update of my stats from working 'The Plan' which I'll post tomorrow.

Also in the future I'll try to keep track of the 3 month thread timer.

Thanks again.



DMC
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#265 - 2014-07-18 08:35:49 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Thread unlocked to foster content creation.


Good move.




Small sidenote:

I managed to complete the Minmatar Epic Arc in a MJD Domi a few months ago without killing either of the opposing factions ships.

Hasikan Miallok,

Thanks for posting and I agree - definitely a good move by ISD.

As for your sidenote, gratz and good job on bypassing the negative standing hits for aggro / ship kill. Any chance of elaborating on it?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Big smile



DMC
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#266 - 2014-07-19 07:41:38 UTC
It's been a while since I last posted an update of my stats.

I've mainly been doing exploration and running the Empire Epic Arcs every 3 months. I haven't done any other Event Agents because I'm actually trying to build up a standing buffer with the 4 main Empire Factions in order to run the level 3 Pirate Epic Arcs along with the Pirate Cosmos Agents.

Currently I'm running the Empire Epic Arcs and will post my updated stats once again after completing them.

Anyway, current stats :

Quote:
Empire Standings - Modified (Base):
Minmatar Republic +7.32 (+6.65),
Amarr Empire +7.25 (+6.56),
Gallente Federation +7.24 (+6.55),
Caldari State +7.06 (+6.32),
Khanid Kingdom +5.27 (+4.09),
The Interbus +5.20 (+4.01),
Ammatar Mandate +4.36 (+2.95),
Concord Assembly +2.55 (+0.69),

Social Skills:
Social lv 5
Connections lv 5
Fast Talk lv 5
Diplomacy lv 5
Negotiation lv 5

Tutorial, Career, Circle Agents Completed:
All Empire Factions

Data Center Tags completed:
Minmatar = All Angel Tags
Gallente = All Serpentis Tags
Caldari = All Guristas Tags
Amarr = All Blood Tags
Ammatar = All Sansha Tags

Epic Arcs Completed:
Level 1 Sisters Of Eve = 13x (6x Minmatar, 2x Amarr, 2x Gallente, 3x Caldari)
Level 4 Amarr = 5x
Level 4 Caldari = 5x
Level 4 Gallente = 5x
Level 4 Minmatar = 7x

Cosmos Agents Completed:
All Empire Factions = level 4 and lower (4 agents left)

Special Agents Completed (Security Status):
Christer Fuglesang = Concord
Jeremy Tacs = Concord

Security Status:
+5.8


DMC
Endecroix
Doomheim
#267 - 2014-07-19 08:02:47 UTC
I've been doing the same as you working up all factions. I think it is worth noting that rather than run missions for the Amarr to improve the standing it makes sense to actually run them for Khanid Kingdom and Ammatar Mandate. The reason being that the way derived standings work you will adequately boost your Amarr standing and both those two factions. If you run Amarr then you don't gain the same benefit the other way.

As long as you only boost the lowest standing faction you do slowly climb although it is a rather slow climb. However, once you get past a certain point you do have pretty much every agent available to you and it does make things easier.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#268 - 2014-07-19 10:45:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Thread unlocked to foster content creation.


Good move.




Small sidenote:

I managed to complete the Minmatar Epic Arc in a MJD Domi a few months ago without killing either of the opposing factions ships.

Hasikan Miallok,

Thanks for posting and I agree - definitely a good move by ISD.

As for your sidenote, gratz and good job on bypassing the negative standing hits for aggro / ship kill. Any chance of elaborating on it?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Big smile



DMC


Chapter 1 - The Passage seems to have no standing loss even if you kill the Amarr
Chapter 2 - Songs of the Past has no standing loss
Chapter 3 has potential standing losses in Mission 1 and Mission 2

Mission 1 - Church of the Obsidian
Defenders at the gate will scram you and prevent you using it so MJD away from the gate and draw defences away from it but do not shoot them, then once they are well clear of gate MJD back to gate and go through.
Once you are in the pocket AB/MWD to can and grab mission objective and warp out.

Mission 2 - Heresiology
You need to use an analyser on a series of cans.
If you warp straight in you will be tanking heavy incoming damage which may be possible in a marauder? but not in a BS.
In a BS you need to MJD away and draw the defenders after you (do not shoot) and then go back and use your analyser. You may need to repeat this process a few times if the defenders return too quickly.

(alternatively a corpmate/alt in a second ship could be used to draw them away instead)
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#269 - 2014-07-19 19:58:57 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Endecroix,

Yeah, I've heard other players say the same thing and I agree it's definitely a long grind to repair negative standings with positive derived standing gains.

However I've found that most players want to repair their negative standings quickly and as easily as possible which is the main focus of 'The Plan'.

Anyway, thanks for posting and I hope you have continued good luck with the standings game.

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Hasikan Miallok,

Thanks for sharing that info. That definitely helps a lot to minimize negative standing hits.

I'll have to remember that next time I run the Minmatar Epic Arc.


DMC
Mishra San
#270 - 2014-08-18 20:02:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Mishra San
Hey DMC,

according to our mails from yesterday i decided to run "The Plan" to repair my negative faction standing against Caldari / Amarr for maintaining a proper standing which allow me run Lvl 4´s for whomever i want to.

I started, like mentioned in your plan and your mails, the career agents with the faction i have the badest standing; Caldari in my case.

After i´ve done now my first round (of 3) of the first 5 career agents my standing against Caldari / Amarr raised significantly towards positive ... but also my Gallente standing dropped from 5,09 to 4,56 ... so i "lost" the avaiablity of all lvl 4 Gallente agents (except the corporations i have 5+)

Now i´m unsure what´s the next step would be the better.

1. Finish the career agents, circle agents and data centers lvl 1 for Caldari and after that for Amarr?
or
2. Switch over to Gallente and/or Minmatar before running Caldari / Amarr again?

Any hints?

Thanks ... Mishra
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#271 - 2014-08-18 21:02:58 UTC
Obviously you did not read the plan well. As your faction standing gains for one faction, it lowers for the opposing faction but not by that much.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#272 - 2014-08-18 21:32:01 UTC
Mishra San wrote:
Hey DMC,

according to our mails from yesterday i decided to run "The Plan" to repair my negative faction standing against Caldari / Amarr for maintaining a proper standing which allow me run Lvl 4´s for whomever i want to.

I started, like mentioned in your plan and your mails, the career agents with the faction i have the badest standing; Caldari in my case.

After i´ve done now my first round (of 3) of the first 5 career agents my standing against Caldari / Amarr raised significantly towards positive ... but also my Gallente standing dropped from 5,09 to 4,56 ... so i "lost" the avaiablity of all lvl 4 Gallente agents (except the corporations i have 5+)

Now i´m unsure what´s the next step would be the better.

1. Finish the career agents, circle agents and data centers lvl 1 for Caldari and after that for Amarr?
or
2. Switch over to Gallente and/or Minmatar before running Caldari / Amarr again?

Any hints?

Thanks ... Mishra

You're supposed to bounce back and forth doing higher and higher level agents in the plan until everybody is positive and you're happy with the results. You CAN get everyone above 5.0 but its very time consuming and completely unnecessary. Just keep 2 of them 'good' and keep whoever you like best above 5.0.

And avoid missions where you shoot empire. Those missions are for people who don't mind empires hating them.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#273 - 2014-08-18 23:23:21 UTC
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Mishra San wrote:
Hey DMC,

according to our mails from yesterday i decided to run "The Plan" to repair my negative faction standing against Caldari / Amarr for maintaining a proper standing which allow me run Lvl 4´s for whomever i want to.

I started, like mentioned in your plan and your mails, the career agents with the faction i have the badest standing; Caldari in my case.

After i´ve done now my first round (of 3) of the first 5 career agents my standing against Caldari / Amarr raised significantly towards positive ... but also my Gallente standing dropped from 5,09 to 4,56 ... so i "lost" the avaiablity of all lvl 4 Gallente agents (except the corporations i have 5+)

Now i´m unsure what´s the next step would be the better.

1. Finish the career agents, circle agents and data centers lvl 1 for Caldari and after that for Amarr?
or
2. Switch over to Gallente and/or Minmatar before running Caldari / Amarr again?

Any hints?

Thanks ... Mishra

You're supposed to bounce back and forth doing higher and higher level agents in the plan until everybody is positive and you're happy with the results. You CAN get everyone above 5.0 but its very time consuming and completely unnecessary. Just keep 2 of them 'good' and keep whoever you like best above 5.0.

And avoid missions where you shoot empire. Those missions are for people who don't mind empires hating them.



Another good way to bump Gallente is run SOE missions.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#274 - 2014-08-19 06:25:40 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Mishra San wrote:
Hey DMC,

according to our mails from yesterday i decided to run "The Plan" to repair my negative faction standing against Caldari / Amarr for maintaining a proper standing which allow me run Lvl 4´s for whomever i want to.

I started, like mentioned in your plan and your mails, the career agents with the faction i have the badest standing; Caldari in my case.

After i´ve done now my first round (of 3) of the first 5 career agents my standing against Caldari / Amarr raised significantly towards positive ... but also my Gallente standing dropped from 5,09 to 4,56 ... so i "lost" the avaiablity of all lvl 4 Gallente agents (except the corporations i have 5+)

Now i´m unsure what´s the next step would be the better.

1. Finish the career agents, circle agents and data centers lvl 1 for Caldari and after that for Amarr?
or
2. Switch over to Gallente and/or Minmatar before running Caldari / Amarr again?

Any hints?

Thanks ... Mishra

Yeah, the standings are gonna do a See-Saw action while working 'The Plan'.

Since you already have high Faction standing with Gallente Corporations, you can easily do level 4 missions for them as long as their Faction remains above -2.00 standing. If you want to access high level agents without building up high Faction standings, then you're gonna have to build up Corporation standings with the other Factions. As long as you maintain all of the Empire Factions above -2.00 standing, you'll be able to access their high level agents.

I can guarantee if you follow all the steps listed in 'The Plan' and complete all the Event Agents Level 3 and lower, you will be above +6.00 standing. Unfortunately that will take some time to complete and nobody can give a definite answer on how long that will take. Over the past couple of years I have basically done every step of 'The Plan' and my standings are well over +7.00 with the 4 main Empire Factions. During that period I spent half of the time working on standings and the other half doing exploration.

Now if you want to have high Faction standings like mine, then I suggest you continue following the steps listed in 'The Plan' and when all 4 Empire Faction standings equalize, you can then raise them all equally by 'bouncing' between the various Factions when needed by working their Event Agents.

Remember to keep watch on your standings and 'bounce' over to another Faction as needed to equally raise all the Faction standings.

For a short cut, bypass the Cosmos Agents for now and just concentrate on working the Career, Circle and Data Center Agents till the Faction standings equalize. Since you already had high standings with Gallente, you probably won't have to complete all of their Event Agents in order to maintain equal standings with the other Empire Factions. After you've completed most of the Career, Circle and Data Center Event Agents and have raised the 4 main Factions equally, you'll have a much better idea of what steps are needed to complete your goal.

Hope this helps.


DMC
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#275 - 2014-08-19 17:18:13 UTC
Don't forget, Career, Data Canter, and Circle agents can only be done once.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#276 - 2014-08-20 04:30:48 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Don't forget, Career, Data Canter, and Circle agents can only be done once.

Yeah, also the Cosmos Agents as well.

The Epic Arc Agents can be completed every 3 months for a large positive Faction standing increase with little to no negative standing incurred.


DMC
Cameron Freerunner
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#277 - 2014-08-21 04:45:52 UTC
Props for reopening the thread.

As good as the information has always been, its a shame CCP made faction standing nearly irrelevant.

Mishra San
#278 - 2014-08-21 04:54:07 UTC
Cameron Freerunner wrote:
Props for reopening the thread.

As good as the information has always been, its a shame CCP made faction standing nearly irrelevant.



I´m sure they´ll make it usefull again soon (tm) Cool
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#279 - 2014-11-19 22:32:29 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#280 - 2014-11-19 23:19:35 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith,

Thank you very much. I promise to try my best to not let this happen again.

I'll be updating my standing stats asap.

Thank you once again.



DMC