EVE General Discussion

Okay.. so up until recently the rules for Rookie Systems have been fairly cut and dry.

[ quote from GM posted in Local some months ago

Flipping is clear, taking someone else's can, and moving it's contents into your own.. Reason behind it it being that new players would take from your new can to get their stuff back, and then you'd pop them

Baiting was a little more of a grey area, but generally mean any time you dropped a can and then engaged someone who took from it, with the exception being if you were actively mining and using it, or if via local/pm/can name you were making a 1v1 can or something like that.

Now I have heard recently that this has changed

Now almost any action that destroys a new player in a Rookie system is a warn/bannable offence.
If you steal from someone, they engage you, and you destroy them.. you are at risk of a ban
If you kill a npc, wt, etc, and someone steals from you, and you kill them, you are at risk of a ban
etc

I have seen no changes to the EULA or Wiki about rookie system rules
No announcement was made to warn players that the rules have changed, some just woke up to a ban/warning. How is it fair that someone receive a ban/warning for doing something that a few days before was by other GM's own statements, allowed

So what are the exact rules now ? What is a new player ? Does this mean that if you see a blinking red in a rookie system you need to first check their profile before shooting ? What if my account is 6 years old, but I only played for one day 6 years ago and now I'm back, am I still new of am I a valid target now ? What if you have an active war with a corp, and a "new" player is in that corp.. They are still new, are they valid targets

I've heard the phrase is to trick a new player into allowing you to engage.. This is a fairly subjective statement isn't it ? I mean I could go through the belt ratting, leave wrecks, continue to another belt, meet a player that took from one.. It's a red target, and I might have had no intent of tricking.. And now there's a warning just for engaging something that the game mechanics themselves say is valid


Now I'm not against any changes.. I think the old rules had loopholes so big you could fly a titan through.. But I just think the rules need to be made clear.

And if the goal is removing these issues, why not just remove the ability to steal in Rookie systems ? Or disable aggro mechanics there all together ? Rather than what are potentially subjective rules, if the method of enforcement is the same as a week ago, relies on someone Knowing the rules and making a petition to a GM about it

Oh and before people ask or accuse, I don't go around griefing noobs.. Ask anyone in Clellinon.. I have 15+ petitions in my history reporting people for baiting and flipping.. I'm all about protecting the newbies.. But I also think everyone should have a fair chance to know the rules ahead of time. God knows I've had to warn enough veteran players from baiting/flipping because the last time they were in a rookie system it was fine, and because they didn't check for the new rules.. But with no new rules being posted, yet warning/bans being issued, I think that's unfair to punish people for what was permitted actions in the sandbox without first providing them the Information to them to prevent that.. if the EULA/Wikie rules were updated, and no one checked, hey, tough luck.. but if they aren't, then that's just not right


So if a GM would be so kind to shead some light on this, so I and others know what actions should be avoided, or if seen should warrent a petition, I and I'm sure both Rookies, and corps/individuals that reside in rookie systems would appriciate it

Move away from starter systems
Find better targets
??????
Profit!

It's not a new rule or new interpretation, it was a reinforcement of what's always been the case at least as long as I've been a player since Aprocrypha in 2009.

Any kind of harassment of noobs in rookie systems is a no no and always has been. Just go one jump over, how hard would that be...

In my opinion; When you undock, you are in risk - even in rookie systems! That is the Eve we all love. If they don't understand the warning text when stealing; add a warning box for undocking!

They got warned, didn't they?

Also, give more free skillpoints to new players, so they can actually fight back!

o.0

Applause!

Thankyou for the concise response :)

Could we get some indication of what a Rookie is ?

Maybe not an exact date and time.. but.. Clearly messing with a newbie in a Navitas would be bad.. What about the guy that shows up in a Retty, Cov, Hulk, stripping the belts bare.. Are we allowed to mess with them ?

Or the two month player running scanned sites down, and ratting in the belts.. are the free to steal from or engage if they take from us ?

There are lots of players that pass through at least the Rookie system I base out of, of all ages, skill levels, and intent..

its not a newbie if its in a mining barge right

I live in a rookie system.. and as I said, me, and all my alts have accounted for 1 "newbie" kill, and that was when I was a newbie.. [ first week or so.. ]..

But I also run sites, not uncommon for another player I personally would consider not a rookie to show up and start stealing from the first room while I'm in another.. Valid target in my books, I wouldn't consider anyone who can scan down a Serpentis Watch for example a newbie.. But I donno what I GM would say..

I want to know where I stand.. and I really don't care if people want to troll with "go elsewhere".. I'm quite happy where I am.. and I'll be fine with the rules either way.. but I still want to know..

If they are in a rookie system I would say you are wrong. Not everyone is "all in" when they start playing. I certainly wasn't. It may be that they only actually played a few times but skilled up to fly a mining barge. An exumer would probably be a different story... do what you want but I would just avoid rookie systems altogether.

The rookie help chat channel auto opens for the first, what, two weeks? Maybe that's a good definition of a rookie.