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Logoffski exploit, video proof.

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Nairb Hig
Feathered Exploration
#101 - 2012-03-25 09:04:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nairb Hig
I'm inclined to agree with the OP.

The end result clearly is not in the spirit of the log off rules, and the freighter pilot is 'exploiting' these rules to gain an unfair advantage. This seems like the most cut-and-dry example of exploiting I have seen, most of the posts defending the pilot are obviously trolling. The ones that are not put game mechanics on too high a pedestal.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2012-03-25 09:13:38 UTC
You can also store your ship in a Orca or Carrier SMA to avoid a loss. This is also not an exploit.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2012-03-25 09:22:16 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
You can also store your ship in a Orca or Carrier SMA to avoid a loss. This is also not an exploit.



You do know they changed that with aggression mechanics and it was considered and exploit by CCP right?

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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-03-25 09:31:41 UTC
Dradius Calvantia wrote:
You retards give pirates a bad name. This is a well documented game mechanic and has been this way for years. Everyone plays this game with the same game mechanics, and complaining about this is like freighter pilots complaining that they can not see who is one the other side of the gate before jumping. That is just the way the game works, and you need to adapt your tactics to it.

Learn to play the game the way it exists and quit crying just because the game mechanics don't make things easy for you. There are plenty of ways to catch someone dumb enough to fly a freighter in low sec.


This is veto corp now? Wow, you guys used to be pirates and fight in low sec. How low have you fallen in to let in some guy like this? Shocking to see how carebear veto has become, so sad.

This is how the game works, but is definitely not how it should work. CCP has stated numerous times that logging off to save your ship should never be viable. There is no adapting here. I don't have a magic summon 5000 dps button and I shouldn't have to bring such a fleet everywhere I go, how boring is that. In 0.0 I can bring a bubbler and log off no longer works, but in low sec I cannot bring a bubbler and if you have a ship with enough HP, you can jump into low sec solo with a freighter/tanked bs like a moron and get away scot free.

Nothing wrong with pointing out an obviously broken mechanic in the desperate attempt that CCP fix their game. Someone has to stick up for the low sec solo/small gang pirates and pvpers and if veto won't do it then I'll gladly do it.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2012-03-25 09:34:53 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Dradius Calvantia wrote:
You retards give pirates a bad name. This is a well documented game mechanic and has been this way for years. Everyone plays this game with the same game mechanics, and complaining about this is like freighter pilots complaining that they can not see who is one the other side of the gate before jumping. That is just the way the game works, and you need to adapt your tactics to it.

Learn to play the game the way it exists and quit crying just because the game mechanics don't make things easy for you. There are plenty of ways to catch someone dumb enough to fly a freighter in low sec.


This is veto corp now? Wow, you guys used to be pirates and fight in low sec. How low have you fallen in to let in some guy like this? Shocking to see how carebear veto has become, so sad.

This is how the game works, but is definitely not how it should work. CCP has stated numerous times that logging off to save your ship should never be viable. There is no adapting here. I don't have a magic summon 5000 dps button and I shouldn't have to bring such a fleet everywhere I go, how boring is that. In 0.0 I can bring a bubbler and log off no longer works, but in low sec I cannot bring a bubbler and if you have a ship with enough HP, you can jump into low sec solo with a freighter/tanked bs like a moron and get away scot free.

Nothing wrong with pointing out an obviously broken mechanic in the desperate attempt that CCP fix their game. Someone has to stick up for the low sec solo/small gang pirates and pvpers and if veto won't do it then I'll gladly do it.


Right on the money.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#106 - 2012-03-25 10:23:02 UTC
So you fail with a freighter gank and decide to post video on the public forums showing how bad you are?

I'm sure CCP will change the game now.

Next time wait until the ******* freighter starts to align, then decloak and point, then jump the fleet in you clueless noob moron ******.




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Kyn Kailata
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#107 - 2012-03-25 11:08:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyn Kailata
as someone already pointed out... why didnt you simply wait until he decloaked before you uncloaked your redeemer and pointed him? he would have gotten aggresion that way..
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#108 - 2012-03-25 14:10:58 UTC
Kyn Kailata wrote:
as someone already pointed out... why didnt you simply wait until he decloaked before you uncloaked your redeemer and pointed him? he would have gotten aggresion that way..


He shouldn't have to. That's the point here.

Logging off to save your ship is something CCP has been trying to stop. The freighter wasn't aggressed yet, no, but the fact that he logged off (assuming it wasn't a d/c here of course) shows that the pilot knew he was tarped. He didn't evade the tarp through any mechanic that was designed to let him evade it - he evaded the tarp through a mechanic designed for something else entirely, something not actually related to gameplay. Just because the logoff mechanic allows for this doesn't mean it should.

The burden should not be upon the pirates to find a workaround because someone else was abusing the game.

Bluh, but how would you prevent abuse like that, and protect people who genuinely disconnected or needed to walk the dog, at the same time? I don't know :(
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2012-03-25 15:08:23 UTC
Kyn Kailata wrote:
as someone already pointed out... why didnt you simply wait until he decloaked before you uncloaked your redeemer and pointed him? he would have gotten aggresion that way..


Roime wrote:
So you fail with a freighter gank and decide to post video on the public forums showing how bad you are?

I'm sure CCP will change the game now.

Next time wait until the ******* freighter starts to align, then decloak and point, then jump the fleet in you clueless noob moron ******.






He logged his character off before he de cloaked.

Are you two noobs not even paying attention? Are you not able to read and comprehend what grownups are talking about?

Move along let the grown ups handle this OK.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#110 - 2012-03-25 15:12:52 UTC
I'm struggling to see how any reasonable person could possibly think this is good gameplay that should remain unchanged.
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2012-03-25 16:11:53 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
So how would you fix it so that the mechanic doesn't screw over Joe Average, who has to log his BS off now (in space) to get to work in the morning?

At least you can't log out from combat any more.

I agree this freighter being able to log off to avoid the OP is a bit dumb. I do not think he logged off before loading the system, though, just while he was under cloak. (Do these ships cloak after jumping, like subcaps?)



Ships shouldn't disappear. Period.

However, Capitals should have a "Station Keeping" mode, where they can't be 'bumped'. Then you can park it inside the shield of a POS and logoff and so long as the POS is still there......so is your ship. Blink





Don't fly what you can't support.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#112 - 2012-03-25 16:25:36 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:

He logged his character off before he de cloaked.

Are you two noobs not even paying attention? Are you not able to read and comprehend what grownups are talking about?

Move along let the grown ups handle this OK.


Yes, this thread needed some adult supervisory, that's why I posted Cool

If you would not have sprung your trap too early, he would not have logged off. If you would have been familiar with the log off mechanics, you would have known that the ship disappears after one minute.

Do you really suggest that if you DC in space, your ship should stay there 100% helpless for 15 minutes?

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2012-03-25 16:33:18 UTC
Roime wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:

He logged his character off before he de cloaked.

Are you two noobs not even paying attention? Are you not able to read and comprehend what grownups are talking about?

Move along let the grown ups handle this OK.


Yes, this thread needed some adult supervisory, that's why I posted Cool

If you would not have sprung your trap too early, he would not have logged off. If you would have been familiar with the log off mechanics, you would have known that the ship disappears after one minute.

Do you really suggest that if you DC in space, your ship should stay there 100% helpless for 15 minutes?




You miss the point where he was going to log off no matter what?

That he logged off before we jumped into system?

These thoughts to big for you to understand or what?

I also have him bragging in local with his alt that he does it all the time. But cant post that here.

Move along buddy.

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2012-03-25 16:34:04 UTC
Roime wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:

He logged his character off before he de cloaked.

Are you two noobs not even paying attention? Are you not able to read and comprehend what grownups are talking about?

Move along let the grown ups handle this OK.


Yes, this thread needed some adult supervisory, that's why I posted Cool

If you would not have sprung your trap too early, he would not have logged off. If you would have been familiar with the log off mechanics, you would have known that the ship disappears after one minute.

Do you really suggest that if you DC in space, your ship should stay there 100% helpless for 15 minutes?




Yup, dont fly what you cant lose.

go to system with a station or your own POS if you dont want to lose you stuff.

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General Aeacus
Doomheim
#115 - 2012-03-25 16:34:24 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
No CCP needs to state if the specific instance on the gate and Logging out before you decloaked is AS INTENDED.

If Yes I unsub my accounts. Cause thats utter crap.
Please do us all a favor and quit. Although, the pirate tears are refreshing...
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2012-03-25 16:40:52 UTC
General Aeacus wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
No CCP needs to state if the specific instance on the gate and Logging out before you decloaked is AS INTENDED.

If Yes I unsub my accounts. Cause thats utter crap.
Please do us all a favor and quit. Although, the pirate tears are refreshing...



Greenhorns....not pirates....greenhorns. Pirate
General Aeacus
Doomheim
#117 - 2012-03-25 16:51:08 UTC
I apologize, I should have watched the video before I posted.

That was the most pathetic gank I’ve ever witnessed.

You guys take sucking to a whole new level.

The game mechanics work as intended, so stfu.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#118 - 2012-03-25 16:54:47 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:

You miss the point where he was going to log off no matter what?

That he logged off before we jumped into system?

These thoughts to big for you to understand or what?

I also have him bragging in local with his alt that he does it all the time. But cant post that here.

Move along buddy.

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Quote:
Do you really suggest that if you DC in space, your ship should stay there 100% helpless for 15 minutes?


Yup, dont fly what you cant lose.

go to system with a station or your own POS if you dont want to lose you stuff.



I'm starting to think you are a bit too thick for this game tbh




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Arno Gunnarr
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2012-03-25 17:05:05 UTC
FOWUM WOWWIERSS UNIIIIIITE AGAINS' OP

Nooblet
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2012-03-25 17:05:40 UTC  |  Edited by: RougeOperator
Roime wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:

You miss the point where he was going to log off no matter what?

That he logged off before we jumped into system?

These thoughts to big for you to understand or what?

I also have him bragging in local with his alt that he does it all the time. But cant post that here.

Move along buddy.

...

Quote:
Do you really suggest that if you DC in space, your ship should stay there 100% helpless for 15 minutes?


Yup, dont fly what you cant lose.

go to system with a station or your own POS if you dont want to lose you stuff.



I'm starting to think you are a bit too thick for this game tbh






Yeah god forbid people need to plan ahead or be accept the consequences of their choices.

Go play WoW if you dont like games where you have to live with your choices and mistakes.

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