Crime & Punishment

Interesting way to look at it considering that the ones that have changed the rule (as you view it) are the hi sec gankers extending their own GCC (and Concord destruction times) by using the boomerang technique. They can now go on indefinitely with this technique.

They (hi sec suicide gankers) can keep Concord chasing them for hours. If the rule was as you say then it is not CCP or carebears that have changed it.

I can agree if this is allowed then the effort:reward ratio is satisfied. It requires some decent equipment as well so the risk:reward ratio is satisfied as well. So now all we need is someone with a red box in their portrait to come tell us if its okay to do these things.

That doesn't really answer the question but it does make this harder to do if not impossible.

This thread is yet more proof that this game is more about bullying than anything else. Suicide ganking is not pvp, it's fake pvp. If the intent of the game is for older players to make the lives of newer and weaker players utterly miserable so that they leave, then this is a good idea. If you want a game where the player base grows and you have more combat by people who want it, then this is just one more step toward the shrinking of Eve. In case you haven't noticed, the game is smaller than it was. The supposed "victory" of the bitter vets over CCP did nothing but confuse the issue.

Solo mining was one of the only ways a casual player could enjoy this game. Getting killed while solo mining has driven a lot of people out of my main's corp. Hardly anybody logs on when we get a war dec, and, increasingly, the numbers are lower and lower.

Without some part of Eve where players have real safety, this game will die. The death will be long and slow because many people love the game. But death will come nevertheless. Fight this idea all you want. Throw that "carebear" word around like it means something. There have always been more people who wanted to play this game as carebears, they've just all been driven away by now. And the game has such a forbidding reputation at this point that people are not going to join it as readily or give it as much of a chance as in the past.

But please, keep looking at ways to force people to play in a style that they don't want and won't accept. That's the Eve mentality, for sure.

I've done plenty of solo mining. It's boring as hell. I don't understand how you could enjoy it...it was a means of passive income for me, something I could do while watching movies or studying.

As for war decs, if you're going to operate a corp, be prepared to fight. If not, join one that is. War is a core part of Eve and if your corp is a soft target, you WILL be exploited.


If you come in to Eve expecting it to be a safe, friendly environment, then you never heard of the game before you came here. When I started playing, I'd heard of massive corp thefts, the dismantling of BoB, the 30 billion isk Palladin gank, and various other craziness that has gone on over the years. That was what drew me to the game: Eve is a player-driven universe where we write our stories. One person can make a difference. A dozen people can drive major, news-making events. That's how Eve works, that's how it's always worked, and if you come here expecting anything else, I can only wonder how you ever found this game without knowing what you were getting into.

I spent the first year of gameplay mining, running missions, and generally being a highsec carebear. And I loved the chaos that surrounded me.

I don't get where people differentiate between real and fake pvp. Any pvp that happens is real pvp. This game is a sandbox game you choose what you want to do. You chose to mine. I chose to kill you after you refused to pay for protection.

Also this is a derail, please answer the OP CCP.

Exactly.

In real life, running from the law results in escalations by the law. More cops, helicopters, road blocks, et cetera. Concord should mimic that behavior. This new "death ray" idea that I've heard was suggested is just BAD.

I interpret it differently.

Evading Concord is not 'evading' in the temporary sense of simply warping away.
Warping away from a ganksite is simply common sense self preservation when other players are free to engage (and pod) you at will.

Evading is escaping the destruction of your ship. (ie former Black ops jump or Orca stash maneuver)

Likewise, its perfectly legal to unfit your ship after ganking. Because CCP does not require your mods to be destroyed during a GCC - only the ship.

How do I know this? Your mods survive the explosion.....

It's always about Knowing Thy Limits.

As long as it's a very limited group of peeps doing that, CCP will close 1, 2 or even 3 eyes on that. It's a PvP game after all.

But once you get some smart ass beginning to publish detailed tutorials about how to scientifically do it, maybe making videos, posting everywhere on the forums about it... then everybody start doing it and then CCP have to stop it before it goes out of control.

Read the the OP's post, couldn't be bothered ready the replies.

Short answer... No