EVE General Discussion

If you have no faith in CCP managing it to not be abused to hell and back, then you probably need to find another game provider you can have faith in.

And what in what form would the abuse be? Letting players who don't want to play the part of the game you want them to play have a place to play it within the rich and deep content that is already available to them?

The thief becomes flagged to your entire corporation. Please tell me what exactly is stopping you from bringing a pvp-geared corp member along for defense, aside from your innate greed which categorically prohibits you from compensating this person for his time?

You are apparently intelligent enough to attempt to make the abstract argument, linking the two unlike things, but apparently not wise enough to know better than to base your position on an equivocation.

Players are not NPCs. If you want to make an argument for faction based "suspect" flags when players get below a certain faction standing and are in that faction's space, then make that argument, I might even support it. But this nandy pandy BS about taking rat loots from the poor miserable abused rats is below your abilities.

None of those ideas will be acceptable to him because he is unwilling to share in his mission profits. He has to have all of the profit, not just most of it. Anything less than that requires CCP intervention.


I adjust my debate strategy to not go too far above the heads of the people I'm arguing with. What's the point of using high-end logic when most of the responses you get are "htfu gankbear"? Might as well hit closer to home and stick to things they understand. Luckily, mission NPCs are one of these things.

I have multiple reasons for opposing the proposed changes to canflipping mechanics and high security space in general. But there is one major reason that I feel I should explain

Eve is a sandbo

EvE is all about player interaction. It's the experiences we share with other players that make the game what it is. Good, bad, or otherwise. It's the only MMO I have ever ever played where your actions have real consequences no matter what profession you follow, or what side of the law you choose to be on. In highsec the advantage already goes to miners and other carebears (As it should.) who have just a little bit of common sense because if you don't want to participate in can flipping games you don't have to. But If you choose to not to make use of those advantages and launch your ore into the cold vacuum of space without escorts to run off potential looters instead of keeping it safely tucked in your cargohold, you run the risk of having it stolen. And if you choose to engage the thief who looted the ore that you carelessly left floating around you run the risk of losing your ship to said thief. Just like if I choose to flip somebody's can I run the risk of losing my ship to that persons entire corporation, and I WOULD like to see that extended to the players entire alliance

There are ways to avoid being a victim, or even turn the tables (I would suggest that everybody take a short break about now and watch When Carebears Attack) if you will take ten minutes to stop and think of them instead of expecting CCP to hold your hand and punish other players so you can semi-afk jetcan mine with relative impunity

I found a corp that I enjoy flying with because I snatched a bait-can and lost my ship. (Actually made most of my friends in this game by killing or being killed by them at one time or another.) After the fight we struck up a conversation and a day later I was invited to join up with his corp. If flipping that can had led to everybody in local being able to shoot me I doubt that would have happened, I doubt I would have flipped it at all, and I probably would have stopped spending my money on this game a long time ago. I'm not saying that it's all rainbows and sunshine, if it were the game wouldn't be nearly as interesting as it is. I am saying take the good with the bad and learn to fly smarter instead of taking away my player interaction because you made a bad decision

So the next time somebody flips your can don't just cry in local. Call up your buddies, come up with a plan, and have some fun. You might win, you might lose. Either way say 'gf' at the end. If you don't come out on top don't worry about it. Chat up the pilot, chances are he'll give you some tips and you might even get along with the thieving bastard. =P

You want a serious reply to that or should I make another joke?

No. The complacency lies in people absolutely refusing to provide consequences. There are tons of themfor criminals, but the victoms then immediately void them.

This proposal excludes criminal behaviour because it reduces aggression to two types: suicide and wardecs. Neither is a good platform for proper criminality. While it opens up for bounty hunting, it will not enable it because it immediately becomes pointless.

Thats also an incorrect view as you forget that your "victim" directly suffers from the behaviour of the criminal activity. An effective suicide gank is meant to provide a loss to the vicitim. And for some they have already demonstrating the ability to significantly profit from this activity or easily afford a disparity in assest losses in favour of the ganker. Sometimes in different orders.

If you think the promotion of PvP that can provide a more fun and enlivened EvE for both sides of this equation as pointless? Especially when Bounty Hunting will open up new game play and career options in EvE.

I often "canflip"... my other toons. There are plenty of times when it's move convenient to jetcan stuff for a different toon to pickup. Given that my toons are mostly in different corps, that'll mean I'm going to be flagged for criminal behaviour that actually isn't.

The rest of this stuff is pretty interesting. Looking forward to firm details when they figure them out.

Well that's kind of their fault, isn't it? They have the tools, but don't utilize them. You can hardly blame the people taking advantage of that fact. Also, the MMO player and the "relax for an hour with some friends" demographics never really had any significant overlap.

Why should CCP make changes that cater to this specific player subset, instead of making changes that will bring in more pvper/griefer/sociopath subscriptions?